Assault Ban To Be Introduced on 1-24-13

[BemidjiDweller]

https://twitter.com/AlexPappasDC/status/294491696518033408/photo/1

First person to get everything in that list in their collection wins!

I agree, we could call it the Feinstein challenge!

[plblark]

The BEST part is I can just hear your calm tone of voice and see the smirk trying not to show as you do the educating

I blew an anti's mind in an argument last night -- she said that we already had "reasonable limits" placed on the 2nd Amendment like that people couldn't own rocket launchers, grenades, etc.

I then explained to her how, in most states (but not MN), the ATF Tax Stamp for getting a "destructive device" worked, and the lack of grenades in the open marketplace was more a measure of economics, lack of usage space (seriously, where are you going to set off a grenade), and fire marshall storage requirements than laws prohibiting their possession. I explained that if you could find one for sale, you could legally own a 500lb bomb for a simple $200 tax stamp (and background check, Form 4, etc...) or a fully armed fighter plane complete with cannon and full complement of missiles/rockets/etc (with appropriate stamp for each component, and a horrendous amount of money for operation and maintenance)...

She was silent for several minutes...then piped up..."But you can't have a machine gun at least!"



Then I explained how, even in MN, I could legally own a machine gun if I wanted to. Occasionally there is a place for correcting them when they're wrong!

[photogpat]

The BEST part is I can just hear your calm tone of voice and see the smirk trying not to show as you do the educating

Actually the BEST part was that I did this after having had two Surly Furious drafts. I love round-table discussions that happen at a bar!

[MNHandK]

I'm a noob to the forum, but I've had many a discussions about gun control with friends. On both sides of the fence. It no longer amazes me how uneducated people are on the topic of weapons. Among other topics. It's truly amazing that 50-60% of the population can make it through the day.

I'm encouraged by chatter that the assault weapons ban has no legs. It's all about elections. There is too much to loose in the upcoming midterms for Democrats. I see a few of them either voting present, or No on any legislation that is proposed.

Few things that are for sure..
1. No matter what gets up for vote, were not going to get a chance to see it or debate it before it is voted on. You have to pass a bill before you can see what is in it these days.
2. If it doesn't pass, see the President attempting more "Executive Orders". Next stop, court.
3. If it does pass, next stop court. States, counties, private citizens, and interest groups are going to go after it. There is also a strong likelihood that many law enforcement officials will decide not to enforce the law (or executive order).

The argument that has to be made is one of history. Both that which is written, and has yet to be. It is not about hunting or everyday home defense. Those are secondary arguments for support only. its about threats both foreign and domestic. The possibility, and some would argue the inevitability of tyranny. I certainly hope that tyranny or foreign threat never comes to force, though should it be the case our only defense and eventual offense against it would be an armed citizenry. Maybe if our schools taught about the revolt against the British these issues would be better understood.

On the issue of limiting, or eliminating events such as Sandy Hook, the real problem and workable solution will never be addressed by government. The problem, there isn't anything the government can do to stop it. Criminals and crazies will find a way, or worse yet get more creative in their methods. The only workable solution, is a better armed and better trained citizen population. Armed teachers. Elimination of gun free zones. 50 state carry laws allowing citizens to be prepared. And on top of that privacy laws protecting citizens with LEGAL weapons.

[xd ED]

I'm a noob to the forum, but I've had many a discussions about gun control with friends. On both sides of the fence. It no longer amazes me how uneducated people are on the topic of weapons. Among other topics. It's truly amazing that 50-60% of the population can make it through the day.

I'm encouraged by chatter that the assault weapons ban has no legs. It's all about elections. There is too much to loose in the upcoming midterms for Democrats. I see a few of them either voting present, or No on any legislation that is proposed.

Few things that are for sure..
1. No matter what gets up for vote, were not going to get a chance to see it or debate it before it is voted on. You have to pass a bill before you can see what is in it these days.
2. If it doesn't pass, see the President attempting more "Executive Orders". Next stop, court.
3. If it does pass, next stop court. States, counties, private citizens, and interest groups are going to go after it. There is also a strong likelihood that many law enforcement officials will decide not to enforce the law (or executive order).

The argument that has to be made is one of history. Both that which is written, and has yet to be. It is not about hunting or everyday home defense. Those are secondary arguments for support only. its about threats both foreign and domestic. The possibility, and some would argue the inevitability of tyranny. I certainly hope that tyranny or foreign threat never comes to force, though should it be the case our only defense and eventual offense against it would be an armed citizenry. Maybe if our schools taught about the revolt against the British these issues would be better understood.

On the issue of limiting, or eliminating events such as Sandy Hook, the real problem and workable solution will never be addressed by government. The problem, there isn't anything the government can do to stop it. Criminals and crazies will find a way, or worse yet get more creative in their methods. The only workable solution, is a better armed and better trained citizen population. Armed teachers. Elimination of gun free zones. 50 state carry laws allowing citizens to be prepared. And on top of that privacy laws protecting citizens with LEGAL weapons.

I think the new guy's got it figured out

[Holland&Holland]

There is also a strong likelihood that many law enforcement officials will decide not to enforce the law (or executive order)

While this is a nice thought I really doubt this.

Anyone have a source where law enforcement did not enforce the last AWB?

[MNHandK]

There is also a strong likelihood that many law enforcement officials will decide not to enforce the law (or executive order)

While this is a nice thought I really doubt this.

Anyone have a source where law enforcement did not enforce the last AWB?

some have already spoken out.

someone else posted it.. but this guy, a kiwi.. has got a better handle on it than most people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlzZyoHI ... rzrE0G4QEg

[Holland&Holland]

There is also a strong likelihood that many law enforcement officials will decide not to enforce the law (or executive order)

While this is a nice thought I really doubt this.

Anyone have a source where law enforcement did not enforce the last AWB?

some have already spoken out.

someone else posted it.. but this guy, a kiwi.. has got a better handle on it than most people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlzZyoHI ... rzrE0G4QEg

I'll beleive it when a sheriff sends the ATF packing out of their jurisdiction.

[MNHandK]

While this is a nice thought I really doubt this.

Anyone have a source where law enforcement did not enforce the last AWB?

some have already spoken out.

someone else posted it.. but this guy, a kiwi.. has got a better handle on it than most people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlzZyoHI ... rzrE0G4QEg[/quote]
I'll beleive it when a sheriff sends the ATF packing out of their jurisdiction.[/quote]

agreed.

[purd0027]

Hmm, Barrett M107A1 and Barrett M82A1 are two of the "named" evil rifles. Presumably because they can easily "spray fire from the hip".

[Nalez]

FYI,
The bill has been presented as S.150:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d113:s.150
A bill to regulate assault weapons, to ensure that the right to keep and bear arms is not unlimited, and for other purposes.

So if anyone wants a voice, contact your legislatures about S.150.

[XDM45]

[Heffay]

WHOO HOO! The M1A isn't on that list!

[Thunder71]

Mini-14 is fine, just don't get the tactical.

I guess the other 3 versions aren't as capable. I'll take any one of the other 3 any day of the week... especially that Ranch.

[jdege]

Mini-14 is fine, just don't get the tactical.

How long does it take you to swap stocks on a Mini-14? 30 seconds?