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Re: MN Bill making gun magazines of more than 10 shells illegal.

Postby Tronster on Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:57 pm

XDM45 wrote:
I've also seen the craziness on our side though too when it comes to common sense..... such as if a PTC/CCW holder was in the theater in Aurora that the would be able to overcome the tear gas (non-lethal-chemical weapon really) in a crowded, dark theater full of gas, and be able to see, let alone hit the active shooter; but because he was wearing body armor, the PTC/CCW would have had to shot him in an unprotected area for a shot to permanently stop the threat or at least hit him to stop his actions. Chances of that happening are pretty low I'd think, but I've seen and heard people say that if they were there they could have done such and such. Maybe.... but if I were a bettin' man, I wouldn't take those odds.

However at Accent Signage, I think the complete opposite is true. If a PCT carrier was in the business at the time, I firmly believe that less lives would have been lost. Is it possible more would have been and not less? or that it wouldn't have made a difference? Yes, of course, all true. I'm simply saying that some people in the general gun community have this grand delusion of fantasy that if they'd been there, things would have turned out differently because they'd have saved the day.

I'm not saying anyone on here is or isn't like that. I'm speaking in a very general term, and I realize that people who have such ideas are on our fringe, not in the mainstream of the gun culture community. My point is that we have a nutjobs too who fail to use common sense, but thank goodness they are rare. The antis have the lack of common sense card played in spades every day and in every way.


As a PTC holder I don't have some grand illusion that I can save the day Hollywood style. But I'd rather have options when the lead starts flying. Carrying a weapon gives me options. Being defenseless only guarantees me one option, victimization.
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Re: MN Bill making gun magazines of more than 10 shells illegal.

Postby Hmac on Sun Feb 03, 2013 4:13 pm

XDM45 wrote:
I couldn't have said it better myself. Your statement is exactly what I feel and the words are concise and perfect. Thank you!!


You're welcome, but don't get too excited. I have also taken numerous carbine self-defense courses and have yet to take one where a single shot was fired at a distance greater than 50 yards.
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Re: MN Bill making gun magazines of more than 10 shells illegal.

Postby Cavscout on Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:12 pm

I'm rather new to this forum, but here it goes.

I hate this bill, as well as the 7rd limit one. It looks like it will pass though.

We have all Dems in MN right now, so that bodes horribly for us on the ten or so new bills they've proposed. If you voted Dem at all, you're no friend of the firearm community. Just MHO.

I think the 7 or 10 mag limit will pass, the AWB, probably not but not sure. Thanks to classes, I'm very familiar with MN statutes and that Revisor website. If you look at all the bills, it would be a perfect line up of new laws to make guns 100% trackable as well as losing other rights. An example is "safe storage" that can be inspected by local LE at any time. It also removes your ability to claim firearms were stolen or lost without sufficent evidence. This would make it easy for gov't to send out the letters, demanding you turn in certain weapons or pay an etra sin or registration tax.

Taking away all private transfers, and local LE needing to have those transfers reported to them... they keep the records, etc.

Everyone I've talked to so far has said they'd hide everything, turning nothing in. I have to agree. The constant 'it's legal, until it isn't' thing is BS.
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Re: MN Bill making gun magazines of more than 10 shells illegal.

Postby bigd55433 on Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:23 pm

I'm also curious to who exactly determines the legal "permanent alteration" since I've seen on the intrawebs many people altering "distroyed" military wepons into operable ones. Permanent to some could be a lil epoxy while to others it would be physically cutting it down so it could only hold 10, not just a follower stop.

Realistically you guys have a gut feeling that this will go through like I do? Or do you think it's in the air and could be swayed?
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Re: MN Bill making gun magazines of more than 10 shells illegal.

Postby Hmac on Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:51 pm

Cavscout wrote:I'm rather new to this forum, but here it goes.

I hate this bill, as well as the 7rd limit one. It looks like it will pass though.

We have all Dems in MN right now, so that bodes horribly for us on the ten or so new bills they've proposed. If you voted Dem at all, you're no friend of the firearm community. Just MHO.



What's your basis for that analysis?

We don't have "all Dems" in MN right now. The MN House has a DFL majority by a margin of 12 (72 vs 60) . The MN Senate has a DFL majority by a margin of 11 (38 vs 29). Your pessimism assumes that gun control measures will be voted strictly along party lines and that many of those Democrats won their seats in rural districts by wide margins and don't have to fear reelection by their rural constituents where gun control tends to be far less popular.
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Re: MN Bill making gun magazines of more than 10 shells illegal.

Postby Tronster on Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:13 pm

A yearly fee to keep your modern sporting rifle is akin to extortion. You purchased said rifle with no prior agreement to yearly registration or fees. No different than starting a business and the mob stopping by and saying your business will be safe for a small fee.
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Re: MN Bill making gun magazines of more than 10 shells illegal.

Postby xd ED on Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:17 pm

A quote from today's strib article:

Nearly one in 10 Minnesotans has a firearms hunting license, nearly 120,000 hold a permit to carry weapons and the right to hunt is chiseled into the state Constitution.

"They have a very passionate constituency," said Senate Majority Leader Tom Bakk, DFL-Cook, who owes his start in politics to an NRA endorsement but who has not always followed NRA policy. The NRA is so popular outside of the Twin Cities that many rural DFL legislators covet the NRA's top rating along with their GOP opponents.

That makes for political math that often favors the NRA.

"What part of 61 Republicans and seven rural Democrats don't you understand?" said Rep. David Dill, DFL-Crane Lake, when asked why he believed most proposed gun control legislation wouldn't pass a Legislature his party controls. He is a gun-rights supporter who represents the far northeastern corner of the state.

The NRA's power is centered in areas with little or no gun violence and gathers its strength not from big-dollar campaign contributions, but from the sheer commitment and staying power of gun rights activists.

Between 2008 and 2012, the NRA spent just $5,240 on Minnesota legislative races. In 2012, the liberal group Alliance for a Better Minnesota spent $144,365 to defeat a single legislative candidate in Edina.


NRA faces major test of clout in Minnesota
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Re: MN Bill making gun magazines of more than 10 shells illegal.

Postby goda0301 on Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:18 pm

"Between 2008 and 2012, the NRA spent just $5,240 "

Here in lies one of our biggest PROBLEMS!!! WHERE THE HELL IS THE NRA. better off buying a half page ad in the local papers for two the next two weeks to let people know what the is really going on then paying $300 for a life time member sticker and a hat...
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Re: MN Bill making gun magazines of more than 10 shells illegal.

Postby XDM45 on Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:30 pm

goda0301 wrote:"Between 2008 and 2012, the NRA spent just $5,240 "

Here in lies one of our biggest PROBLEMS!!! WHERE THE HELL IS THE NRA. better off buying a half page ad in the local papers for two the next two weeks to let people know what the is really going on then paying $300 for a life time member sticker and a hat...


In a DFL state, the NRA needs to spend more money, not less....or so little.
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Re: MN Bill making gun magazines of more than 10 shells illegal.

Postby Hmac on Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:41 pm

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goda0301 wrote:"Between 2008 and 2012, the NRA spent just $5,240 "

Here in lies one of our biggest PROBLEMS!!! WHERE THE HELL IS THE NRA. better off buying a half page ad in the local papers for two the next two weeks to let people know what the is really going on then paying $300 for a life time member sticker and a hat...


In a DFL state, the NRA needs to spend more money, not less....or so little.


Good point. I just joined the NRA this year after about a 30 year hiatus. Given the national hoopla, I did not anticipate that my rights would be in greater danger from the Minnesota legislature than the US Congress.

It seems to me that they ought to get on the stick. A loss here in Minnesota bodes ill for their national agenda in an arena where states have the option of superseding Federal law.
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Re: MN Bill making gun magazines of more than 10 shells illegal.

Postby XDM45 on Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:09 pm

Hmac wrote:
XDM45 wrote:
goda0301 wrote:"Between 2008 and 2012, the NRA spent just $5,240 "

Here in lies one of our biggest PROBLEMS!!! WHERE THE HELL IS THE NRA. better off buying a half page ad in the local papers for two the next two weeks to let people know what the is really going on then paying $300 for a life time member sticker and a hat...


In a DFL state, the NRA needs to spend more money, not less....or so little.


Good point. I just joined the NRA this year after about a 30 year hiatus. Given the national hoopla, I did not anticipate that my rights would be in greater danger from the Minnesota legislature than the US Congress.

It seems to me that they ought to get on the stick. A loss here in Minnesota bodes ill for their national agenda in an arena where states have the option of superseding Federal law.


I don't like everything about the NRA.. such as if Jesus was a Democrat and Satan a Republican, they'd back the Devil because they suck on the Republican party line so hardcore that it's not even funny......... but that being said, along with all the spam mail I get from them which I don't care for either, they are the biggest defender of 2A rights we have in the US, as far as an organization goes. I think perhaps we Minnesotans who are NRA members need to contact the NRA and ask why they sparely spend so little money in a state where they should spend more? Texas doesn't need the help, we do.

This also brings up the point that we all need to join GOCRA since they are a smaller, more localized version of the NRA for MN. I think the monies spent on them may help us more at a local level than monies spent by the NRA; I've got to send mine in this week for sure.
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Re: MN Bill making gun magazines of more than 10 shells illegal.

Postby bstrawse on Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:19 pm

Keep in mind, in this state, this is not a DFL versus Republican issue.

Our carry law passed in a DFL controlled legislature with significant DFL support. These horrible proposed laws can be defeated, but it will require DFL support - particularly from outside of the metro. Those of you who have recently elected DFL representatives or Senators in conservative parts of the state definitely want to be calling and e-maling your legislators.
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Re: MN Bill making gun magazines of more than 10 shells illegal.

Postby XDM45 on Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:21 pm

bstrawse wrote:Keep in mind, in this state, this is not a DFL versus Republican issue.

Our carry law passed in a DFL controlled legislature with significant DFL support. These horrible proposed laws can be defeated, but it will require DFL support - particularly from outside of the metro. Those of you who have recently elected DFL representatives or Senators in conservative parts of the state definitely want to be calling and e-maling your legislators.


Good point.
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MN Bill making gun magazines of more than 10 shells illegal.

Postby Erud on Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:37 am

XDM45,
I think that once again, a little quick research could have prevented you from posting more nonsense. One quick example, the NRA has supported Harry Reid for years and years both with an "A" rating, and financially. If you had been around firearms for longer than the last 10 months you would remember the big uprising that happens every 6 years among NRA members(who don't fully understand the NRA's job) over that exact topic. You could also take a look at their MN election guide during election years to see all of the D's they back in our state alone. The fact of the matter is that more often then not, the general GOP mindset is more pro-2A than the DFL, so more republicans get endorsed by the NRA.
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Re: MN Bill making gun magazines of more than 10 shells illegal.

Postby XDM45 on Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:08 am

Erud wrote:XDM45,
I think that once again, a little quick research could have prevented you from posting more nonsense. One quick example, the NRA has supported Harry Reid for years and years both with an "A" rating, and financially. If you had been around firearms for longer than the last 10 months you would remember the big uprising that happens every 6 years among NRA members(who don't fully understand the NRA's job) over that exact topic. You could also take a look at their MN election guide during election years to see all of the D's they back in our state alone. The fact of the matter is that more often then not, the general GOP mindset is more pro-2A than the DFL, so more republicans get endorsed by the NRA.


I know the NRA backs Dems as well, that Harry Reid has a good rating, do know that the Repubs/red states get more support and give more support to the NRA than the Dem/blue states do, and yes, they do spend money here, my point is that the NRA should spend more money here than what they are. Now maybe the NRA is involved or even aware of the local HF bills being proposed this week, or maybe they aren't, but in either case, I haven't heard one word from them on the matter. I would think that they would get involved in such restrictive legislation even though it's on the local level. Now maybe they are and I've just missed the mark on this one, but I haven't received any calls, emails, letters, etc from the NRA about MN business like I have GOCRA. Now maybe local, county, state isn't the NRA's area, and that's not really fine with me, but if they're only going to deal with the national level stuff, because while should also support GOCRA as well as the NRA, we need to support GOCRA even more in such a case, that's all.

That's my point.
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