SPLIT ** General conversation about how ranges should be run

[173rdABN]

Next time I get in contact, I'll make sure to use my pistol within 399 meters.

Pretty sure my glock 19 will do just fine. As rifles are pointless within 400 yards. my HST ammo I'm issued will for sure "reach-out-and-touch-someone". I bet the taliban would laugh hysterically at me. THAT WAS A IGNORANT STATEMENT!

I stopped reading on page 4. Seriously, is this a complete joke of a thread? Are people this uneducated and ignorant?

I'd love to see your credentials about all this talk of pistols are better in CQC. Let me know how many times you've been in that situation, and we'll go from there. Then you can explain to me how well thats working for you.

[grousemaster]

Next time I get in contact, I'll make sure to use my pistol within 399 meters.

Pretty sure my glock 19 will do just fine. As rifles are pointless within 400 yards. my HST ammo I'm issued will for sure "reach-out-and-touch-someone". I bet the taliban would laugh hysterically at me. THAT WAS A IGNORANT STATEMENT!

I stopped reading on page 4. Seriously, is this a complete joke of a thread? Are people this uneducated and ignorant?

I'd love to see your credentials about all this talk of pistols are better in CQC. Let me know how many times you've been in that situation, and we'll go from there. Then you can explain to me how well thats working for you.

You'll be back in the sand box in a week.....relax my friend ; )

See you at the range Thursday.

[codilly]

Next time I get in contact, I'll make sure to use my pistol within 399 meters.

Pretty sure my glock 19 will do just fine. As rifles are pointless within 400 yards. my HST ammo I'm issued will for sure "reach-out-and-touch-someone". I bet the taliban would laugh hysterically at me. THAT WAS A IGNORANT STATEMENT!

I stopped reading on page 4. Seriously, is this a complete joke of a thread? Are people this uneducated and ignorant?

I'd love to see your credentials about all this talk of pistols are better in CQC. Let me know how many times you've been in that situation, and we'll go from there. Then you can explain to me how well thats working for you.

And what are your credentials sir?

[grousemaster]

There is a way to respond to name calling that doesn't involve also name calling.

Shocking, I know. But it is possible. I'll search for references for you.

Sarcastic and mean.

I was referring to XDM and his explanation about if he is supposed to just take it. On my phone, so it's tough to quote. Sorry for the confusion. I'll update with the appropriate section quoted later so it makes more sense.

Just giving you ****

[Big and Tasty]

I knew I should not have done it, but I did. I slogged through this entire thread and regret it so. I even felt compelled to post about it. Perhaps because this thread dropped my IQ by at least a third.

[bpacman]

Guys!! A little research goes a long way. XDM45 is obviously new to gun ownership:

Hello from the South Metro

Postby XDM45 on 10 Mar 2012, 07:39
Hello all,

I'm a new gun owner having just purchased two firearms, a Ruger Mark III 2245 Standard (not the more commonly seen bull nose. Mine looks similar to a Luger P08) and a Springfield XDM 45 with a 4.5" barrel in dual tone coloring. Both weapons are an absolute joy to work with and a perfect fit for me.

Unfortunately he has a personality issue that does not allow him to admit he is a an amateur at anything. Over the last 10 months or so we have witnessed (read) his joy with his new found hobby and have chuckled at his numerous posts (1134) where he tries to impose/express his wisdom on other forum members.

This thread should be an epiphany for him to understand his knowledge is limited but his need to express his thoughts are unbridled.

Best to wish him luck with his new found hobby and move on. Getting drawn into a senseless banter of ideas with someone so new to this sport will only upset you.

Good Luck XDM45.

Bp

[XDM45]

Next time I get in contact, I'll make sure to use my pistol within 399 meters.

Pretty sure my glock 19 will do just fine. As rifles are pointless within 400 yards. my HST ammo I'm issued will for sure "reach-out-and-touch-someone". I bet the taliban would laugh hysterically at me. THAT WAS A IGNORANT STATEMENT!

I stopped reading on page 4. Seriously, is this a complete joke of a thread? Are people this uneducated and ignorant?

I'd love to see your credentials about all this talk of pistols are better in CQC. Let me know how many times you've been in that situation, and we'll go from there. Then you can explain to me how well thats working for you.

You have training. Joe Average Gun Owner does not have expert military training. Sure, veterans do, but I'd rather see people like my sister try and defend themselves with a pistol than a rifle. I believe I covered that already.

I also stated awhile ago that the 400 mark was off, but everyone seems to ignore that, ok, fine by me. My opinion still remains about shooting a rifle in close range, something else I also covered.

[XDM45]

Unfortunately he has a personality issue that does not allow him to admit he is a an amateur at anything.
I never claimed to be an expert at guns did I? Scroll back and read any of my posts, I never claimed that. Expert or not, I'm still entitled to my opinion even if it's considered wrong or right by some. Likewise, I did mention that the 400 was a bad number to use, but the point remains.

Over the last 10 months or so we have witnessed (read) his joy with his new found hobby and have chuckled at his numerous posts (1134) where he tries to impose/express his wisdom on other forum members.
Just expressing an opinion, not wisdom or lack of it. Don't like it? Don't read it. Problem solved. I've tossed a few people on the ignore list and encourage others to do the same if they don';t like my words. Everyone's happy!!

This thread should be an epiphany for him to understand his knowledge is limited but his need to express his thoughts are unbridled.
Everyone is entitled to free speech, if if we don't agree with what they say. Again, see the above.

Best to wish him luck with his new found hobby and move on.
Not so much a hobby as a single purpose for self-defense. I didn't purchase guns to collect, buy and sell, drool over, or have as a hobby. They are a functional tool, nothing more, nothing less. To me, it's not a sport or a hobby. Their sole purpose is to keep my family and I alive and free.

Getting drawn into a senseless banter of ideas with someone so new to this sport will only upset you.
People are certainly free to express their own opinions as well; it doesn't bother me one bit. If we agree, cool. If not, cool. It's all good by me. A lot of people on here I agree with, and a lot I don't. the ones I dislike or irritate me, I ignore, that's all. If someone disagrees with me, I don't automatically ban them, so don't think that at all, because that's completely wrong.

People who get upset choose to. I used to get all hot and bothered over what people said, but once I stopped giving a eff, life became easier. Works for me.

Good Luck XDM45.
Thanks.

[JohnGageMN]

Next time I get in contact, I'll make sure to use my pistol within 399 meters.

Pretty sure my glock 19 will do just fine. As rifles are pointless within 400 yards. my HST ammo I'm issued will for sure "reach-out-and-touch-someone". I bet the taliban would laugh hysterically at me. THAT WAS A IGNORANT STATEMENT!

I stopped reading on page 4. Seriously, is this a complete joke of a thread? Are people this uneducated and ignorant?

I'd love to see your credentials about all this talk of pistols are better in CQC. Let me know how many times you've been in that situation, and we'll go from there. Then you can explain to me how well thats working for you.

You have training. Joe Average Gun Owner does not have expert military training. Sure, veterans do, but I'd rather see people like my sister try and defend themselves with a pistol than a rifle. I believe I covered that already.

I also stated awhile ago that the 400 mark was off, but everyone seems to ignore that, ok, fine by me. My opinion still remains about shooting a rifle in close range, something else I also covered.

He has both training AND experience, things that you sorely lack. When you're a newb at something maybe you should ask questions rather than spouting off with far-fetched alternate realities of how everyone else should do things that exist in that mushy stuff between your ears.

"Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding." - Proverbs 17:28 (KJV)

[XDM45]

He has both training AND experience, things that you sorely lack.

Yup, he's had more training and experience than me I'd say, but that doesn't mean that I haven't had any of either. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, as I've been saying all along.

When you're a newb at something maybe you should ask questions rather than spouting off with far-fetched alternate realities of how everyone else should do things that exist in that mushy stuff between your ears.

So in other words, unless you have all sorts of experiences and credentials, you aren't entitled to an opinion unless someone high and mighty gives you one? HAH!!

"Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding." - Proverbs 17:28 (KJV)

Does quoting the bible and then citing it somehow give validity to one's position? Talk about (using your own words...) "things that exist in that mushy stuff between your ears" - now I understand

[codilly]

Next time I get in contact, I'll make sure to use my pistol within 399 meters.

Pretty sure my glock 19 will do just fine. As rifles are pointless within 400 yards. my HST ammo I'm issued will for sure "reach-out-and-touch-someone". I bet the taliban would laugh hysterically at me. THAT WAS A IGNORANT STATEMENT!

I stopped reading on page 4. Seriously, is this a complete joke of a thread? Are people this uneducated and ignorant?

I'd love to see your credentials about all this talk of pistols are better in CQC. Let me know how many times you've been in that situation, and we'll go from there. Then you can explain to me how well thats working for you.

You have training. Joe Average Gun Owner does not have expert military training. Sure, veterans do, but I'd rather see people like my sister try and defend themselves with a pistol than a rifle. I believe I covered that already.

I also stated awhile ago that the 400 mark was off, but everyone seems to ignore that, ok, fine by me. My opinion still remains about shooting a rifle in close range, something else I also covered.

He has both training AND experience, things that you sorely lack. When you're a newb at something maybe you should ask questions rather than spouting off with far-fetched alternate realities of how everyone else should do things that exist in that mushy stuff between your ears.

"Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding." - Proverbs 17:28 (KJV)

If you wanna see part of his expirence watch Restrepo, now he is off doing other bad ass dude ****. Is what is being suggested is maybe you take these bits of knowledge from people who have been there and done that. When 173rd tells me what works and what doesn't I am ears and eyes open with mouth SHUT! Maybe after I have been in 700 or so fire fights in a 14 month period then I will put in mu 2 cents on what weapon is effective for what kind of combat. My pistol is for fighting my way to my rifle.

[Mn01r6]

My pistol is for fighting my way to my rifle.

So much THIS!!!

XDM45, we can tell you have had no training because your views contradict any reputable training, along with all real world experience, and logic.

(Says the guy with almost no training but the ability to read)

[XDM45]

My pistol is for fighting my way to my rifle.

So much THIS!!!

XDM45, we can tell you have had no training because your views contradict any reputable training, along with all real world experience, and logic.

(Says the guy with almost no training but the ability to read)

Opinions are a wonderful thing and they don't always agree.

[JohnGageMN]

My pistol is for fighting my way to my rifle.

So much THIS!!!

XDM45, we can tell you have had no training because your views contradict any reputable training, along with all real world experience, and logic.

(Says the guy with almost no training but the ability to read)

Opinions are a wonderful thing and they don't always agree.

Douchebaggery abounds, and you're living proof.

[Spartan]

I skipped several pages on this conversation (3-11). Here is my fifty cents:
Yes, I have seen some things at Bills Robbinsdale.... I also have witnessed some of the worst gun handling I have ever seen by current Law Enforcement officiers, no less at Bills Circle pines!

Yet, John has a pretty good record overall. I am an NRA RSO .. yes it means nothing... but I always take the time to get to know the shooters in near by lanes. If they are novices, I will offer some very basic pointers... and I mean basic.. like hold to grip a hand gun, how to stand and some times how to acquire a sight picture. I often will offer up my Ruger Mrk iii and some ammo to demonstrate effects of recoil and improper gripping. This is not my mission in life. But helping those who wish to learn but dont know the question to ask is important.

Over the past 7-8 years I have done this with dozens of strangers...... I see at least 1/4 of them again and hear how they have taken this class or that .... or how they practiced for a couple months and bought this gun or that gun.... or even how they have taken a PTC class and so on.......

A lot of people never learned to shoot as kids or young adults..... how would you have them learn? most people cant afford a trip to Front Sight..... A novice is only a novice becuase of experience...... how does one get experience? practice, practice, practice......

Rifles and shotguns: most outdoor ranges are members only with waiting lists....... I am okay with using rifles and shot guns to make they function safely and are at least on paper at 25-50 yards.