Five More Bills?

[jshuberg]

They've said that these bills will be rolled into an omnibus bill to be introduced some time in the near future.

[jdege]

HF307 (Simonson) Permit to carry application required to be made to a chief of police of a municipality, and if no chief of police, to a county sheriff.
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill. ... ssion=ls88

Which, when combined with the modifications to preemption included in another bill, would allow Minneapolis to not only not issue carry permits, but to not issue transfer permits, and to not recognize carry permits issued by other jurisdictions.

I'm not sure how this is true. I read the bill and all it does is change who is responsible for issuing permits to carry, it doesn't change the shall issue nature of the permits. I didn't read the local preemption bill, as it's been removed from the committee hearings. I would appreciate some exposition.

But if you combine that with HF0298:

Section 1. Minnesota Statutes 2012, section 471.633, is amended to read:
471.633 FIREARMS.
(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b), the legislature preempts all authority
of a home rule charter or statutory city including a city of the first class, county, town,
municipal corporation, or other governmental subdivision, or any of their instrumentalities,
to regulate firearms, ammunition, or their respective components to the complete exclusion
of any order, ordinance or regulation by them except that:
(1) a governmental subdivision may regulate the discharge of firearms; and
(2) a governmental subdivision may adopt regulations identical to state law.
(b) Paragraph (a) does not apply to a local unit of government acting to further a
clearly stated public safety purpose and achieve a clearly stated public safety outcome.
(c) Local regulation inconsistent with this section is void.
EFFECTIVE DATE.This section is effective the day following final enactment.

Sec. 2. Minnesota Statutes 2012, section 624.7131, subdivision 12, is amended to read:
Subd. 12. Local regulation. (a) Except as provided in paragraph (b), this section
shall be construed to supersede municipal or county regulation of the issuance of
transferee permits.
(b) Paragraph (a) does not apply to a local unit of government acting to further a
clearly stated public safety purpose and achieve a clearly stated public safety outcome.
EFFECTIVE DATE.This section is effective the day following final enactment.

Sec. 3. Minnesota Statutes 2012, section 624.7132, subdivision 16, is amended to read:
Subd. 16. Local regulation. (a) Except as provided in paragraph (b), this section
shall be construed to supersede municipal or county regulation of the transfer of pistols.
(b) Paragraph (a) does not apply to a local unit of government acting to further a
clearly stated public safety purpose and achieve a clearly stated public safety outcome.
EFFECTIVE DATE.This section is effective the day following final enactment.

Sec. 4. Minnesota Statutes 2012, section 624.714, subdivision 23, is amended to read:
Subd. 23. Exclusivity. (a) Except as provided in paragraph (b), this section sets
forth the complete and exclusive criteria and procedures for the issuance of permits to
carry and establishes their nature and scope. No sheriff, police chief, governmental unit,
government official, government employee, or other person or body acting under color
of law or governmental authority may change, modify, or supplement these criteria or
procedures, or limit the exercise of a permit to carry.
(b) Paragraph (a) does not apply to a local unit of government acting to further a
clearly stated public safety purpose and achieve a clearly stated public safety outcome.
EFFECTIVE DATE.This section is effective the day following final enactment.

Sec. 5. Minnesota Statutes 2012, section 624.717, is amended to read:
624.717 LOCAL REGULATION.
(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b), sections 624.711 to 624.716 shall be
construed to supersede municipal or county regulation of the carrying or possessing of
pistols and the regulation of Saturday night special pistols.
(b) Paragraph (a) does not apply to a local unit of government acting to further a
clearly stated public safety purpose and achieve a clearly stated public safety outcome.
EFFECTIVE DATE.This section is effective the day following final enactment.

Sec. 6. Minnesota Statutes 2012, section 624.7191, subdivision 4, is amended to read:
Subd. 4. Local regulation. (a) Except as provided in paragraph (b), this section
shall be construed to supersede any municipal or county regulation of ammunition,
including its component parts.
(b) Paragraph (a) does not apply to a local unit of government acting to further a
clearly stated public safety purpose and achieve a clearly stated public safety outcome.
EFFECTIVE DATE.This section is effective the day following final enactment.

[BigBlue]

HF.0298 (removing preemption) is a very, very dangerous bill that would allow any municipality to change any firearm-related rule that they want to. It cannot pass.

[Heffay]

Putting them all into one big bill is the best case scenario. If they were all handled separately, there's a small chance one or two could squeak by. But in one massive pile of ****, noone in a contested district will even think of voting for it.

[Cavscout]

Sorry Heffay, sick of you saying everything won't/can't pass. Just saying.

I'd swear you're here just to spread a feeling of security with our gun rights. I'm not a fear monger, but I'd rather have people who don't know well enough already that these things can pass if we don't give it a good fight.

After reading the revisions, I honestly think the author needs their ass kicked. 2A rights be damned, they are putting out laws that would cost people a lot of liberty and personal property.

[Heffay]

I'd swear you're here just to spread a feeling of security with our gun rights.

When you see people running in fear of the end of the world, giving them a little reassurance is never a bad idea.

You complain about when the gun control advocates act out of fear. Then you go around acting out of fear yourself.

/insert mirror

[Holland&Holland]

Sorry Heffay, sick of you saying everything won't/can't pass. Just saying.

I'd swear you're here just to spread a feeling of security with our gun rights. I'm not a fear monger, but I'd rather have people who don't know well enough already that these things can pass if we don't give it a good fight.

After reading the revisions, I honestly think the author needs their ass kicked. 2A rights be damned, they are putting out laws that would cost people a lot of liberty and personal property.

You have to remember that Heffay does not live in MN so if it passes he can sit back and sip ice tea or whatever they do in AZ (what does one do in AZ?, I mean there is no beach or anything to sit on, no grass in the lawns, do you just sit in your lawn chair on rocky sandy lot and drink beer?.... anyway sorry). What I am saying is that while I would like to beleive our beloved unicorn mascot, I agree with you, better to do whatever we can to make sure it does not pass than pertend that it is impossible to pass. If it does not pass I will volunteer to personally take all the "I told you so's" from Heffay for this forum and will acknowledge his vast knowledge on the subject by answering "you where right" all the while keeping my AR.

[Heffay]

You have to remember that Heffay does not live in MN so if it passes he can sit back and sip ice tea or whatever they do in AZ (what does one do in AZ?, I mean there is no beach or anything to sit on, no grass in the lawns, do you just sit in your lawn chair on rocky sandy lot and drink beer?.... anyway sorry). What I am saying is that while I would like to beleive our beloved unicorn mascot, I agree with you, better to do whatever we can to make sure it does not pass than pertend that it is impossible to pass. If it does not pass I will volunteer to personally take all the "I told you so's" from Heffay for this forum and will acknowledge his vast knowledge on the subject by answering "you where right" all the while keeping my AR.

I accept that.

Some day I'll be moving back to MN. I want to be able to bring my guns with me. So I do have some skin in the game still. However, if you want to start the "Heffay was right" thread in the general guns section, I'd be most honored if you lead that charge.

Oh, and we sit at the pool and drink our beers here. Everyone has a pool. It's quite fantastic. I think I'll head out there now in fact. Just need to grab a lime off my tree for my rum & coke, and enjoy the sunshine.

Like this:

[Holland&Holland]

However, if you want to start the "Heffay was right" thread in the general guns section, I'd be most honored if you lead that charge.

As soon as this thing is dead in the water, you will have your thread. I am a man of my word.

[XDM45]

However, if you want to start the "Heffay was right" thread in the general guns section, I'd be most honored if you lead that charge.

As soon as this thing is dead in the water, you will have your thread. I am a man of my word.

If you do that, I know the end is near.

[Holland&Holland]

Like this:

Ok, this picture needs to be reported as a personal attack on everyone left here in MN. Just wrong to show that pic....

[St. Olaf]

Better get back to MN soon.

Those swimming pools will be drying up.

[Cavscout]

If they don't pass, I won't think Heffay was right, I'll think that he failed to convince enough people they didn't need to act.

If the bills don't pass, it's because we put up a good fight.

With this stuff, the terms 'concerned' 'worried' and 'fearful' are interchangeable. But the funny thing about them, they make it easy to see whose side you're on.

[Heffay]

If they don't pass, I won't think Heffay was right, I'll think that he failed to convince enough people they didn't need to act.

Except that I've been telling people to act and thanking them for their efforts.

Haven't you been paying attention?

[xd ED]

If they don't pass, I won't think Heffay was right, I'll think that he failed to convince enough people they didn't need to act.

If the bills don't pass, it's because we put up a good fight.

With this stuff, the terms 'concerned' 'worried' and 'fearful' are interchangeable. But the funny thing about them, they make it easy to see whose side you're on.

Woah- what a convoluted sentence. Read it 3 times real fast and you'll fall over.
After I figured it out, I can agree.