Paymar, "Have to revisit the Whole conceal carry law."

[SwedeTown]

Interesting. Perhaps the judicial system shouldn't plea bargain with domestic abusers and gang members, then they would actually be charged for the felonies they commit and wouldn't be able to even apply for a permit to carry. Plus, that would ensure gun violence drops because according to democrats if you take away someone's permit to carry there is no other way for them to get guns.

http://m.startribune.com/news/?id=191555661&c=y

[river_boater]

I said it here a few weeks ago, repealing the PPA is very much on the anti's agenda.

Articles like this are just setting the PR stage...

[tman]

I would argue that the permit system is working as designed. Can't deny based on "gut instinct" but rather, facts.

There is NO story here.

They only came up with ONE instance where a permit holder went on to commit a felony...

[MXGreg]

They are throwing out numbers and betting nobody will bother doing the math. The 299 that got their permit on appeals is .2% of total applicants. The 114 gun crimes committed by permit holders is .09% of total permit holders and could very well be from those 299 who were denied in the first place. All this article is saying is that judges should keep their noses out of the sherriff's decisions.

[river_boater]

There is NO story here.

Wanna bet?

[jdege]

"This is shocking," Rep. Michael Paymar, DFL-St. Paul, said after reviewing records the Star Tribune compiled. Paymar, who is leading the Minnesota House's efforts to control gun violence, said the appeals records provide another reason to re-evaluate the state's 10-year-old law that allows permits to carry.

Yes, it is.

The one number that isn't quoted is how many appeals were over-turned in each county. If that were included in the story, we'd see that there are only two or three sheriffs who have this problem. And we'd be able to see what is really shocking - that in this day and age we still have a handful of sheriffs who routinely abuse their authority.

[2in2out]

But Paymar said the histories of people winning appeals demands an explanation.

"At some point the Legislature is going to have to revisit the whole conceal-carry law and have a thorough discussion about what's working and what isn't ... because clearly there's something broken here," he said.

That quote sounds like a politician trying to appear concerned, but isn't willing to drop everything to actually do what he says. "At some point" could mean anything, but I think it means, "maybe some time but not now".

[Jreinan01]

114 gun crimes...anyone want to bet that poaching a deer counts as a gun crime in that garbage story.
Wait until the third to last paragraph to note that the occurrence of crime by permit holders is lower than by non-permit holders....wow, agenda much??

[St. Olaf]

Under the carry-permit statute, for example, criminal allegations that are not investigated and documented aren't grounds for denial.

Ummmmmm.......hello? Isn't that exactly as IT SHOULD BE?

I guess Paymar wants us to lose our right to carry based on an allegation that we did something wrong.

He's just unbelievably totalitarian......and pathetic.

We're going to win this.

[TabulaRasa]

Michael Paymar has been out to get us for YEARS. He was just ineffectual at it until now. I'm not fooled by these "public hearing" show trials. His mind is already made up. This is an inquisition against the rights of law abiding gun owners and he is out to strip us of as many of our rights as he can, marching under the false flag banner of public safety.

[MXGreg]

The one number that isn't quoted is how many appeals were over-turned in each county. If that were included in the story, we'd see that there are only two or three sheriffs who have this problem. And we'd be able to see what is really shocking - that in this day and age we still have a handful of sheriffs who routinely abuse their authority.

Or a handful of judges undoing a correct call by the sherriffs.

[MXGreg]

114 gun crimes...anyone want to bet that poaching a deer counts as a gun crime in that garbage story.

Or those who are acting as mules for the gang-bangers (unlawful transfer of a firearm would be a gun crime).

[301spartan]

More bs from the commie startribune .three anti gun articles in one day .what's next maybe they can do the whole paper with anti gun story's next week.

[sansooshooter]

The media has to write anti gun stories as the majority public opinion for their Anti 2ND amendment garbage is polling low compared to national debt and the economy.

The Tribune like most so called news papers and TV news are not the watch dogs of government . They consider themselves partners with government . I see them as nothing more than cheerleaders
for totalitarian big government as they always advocate for more and better control over the individual rights of the citizen.

Sadly when I talk to people who still consume news from them . They have little real knowledge of whats in these so call reasonable restrictions . Also they simply can not accept that the anti gun
crowds ultimate goal is no private citizen ownership of firearms!

I was at a fund raiser for a friend last night and talked to many gun owners and the consensus was these bills will not pass. I asked them if they had contacted their state reps and senators plus
the governor. Most said not yet ! Besides those bills have no chance.
I said they do have a chance as long as you don't let them know how you feel about the bills. So please call and mail your reps and senators.
That is my real concern that to many on our side are thinking everyone else will take care of their 2ND amendment rights.

[bstrawse]

They need to call and write *NOW*... not later. NOW.