Heather Martens = Lobbyist for HF241

[XDM45]

This made me think of this thread...http://news.msn.com/us/3-men-jump-on-tracks-in-nyc-to-save-stranger

Jumping in front of a moving train is less dangerous (legally speaking) than using your gun is. You may be a hero in both cases, but not before you go to jail and have to prove your innocence for using your gun, even justifiably so.

[Mn01r6]

This made me think of this thread...http://news.msn.com/us/3-men-jump-on-tracks-in-nyc-to-save-stranger

Jumping in front of a moving train is less dangerous (legally speaking) than using your gun is. You may be a hero in both cases, but not before you go to jail and have to prove your innocence for using your gun, even justifiably so.

All things being equal (unwilling participant element in particular), I hope that if the time ever comes I have the moral courage to step in to save a stranger's life.

[XDM45]

This made me think of this thread...http://news.msn.com/us/3-men-jump-on-tracks-in-nyc-to-save-stranger

Jumping in front of a moving train is less dangerous (legally speaking) than using your gun is. You may be a hero in both cases, but not before you go to jail and have to prove your innocence for using your gun, even justifiably so.

All things being equal (unwilling participant element in particular), I hope that if the time ever comes I have the moral courage to step in to save a stranger's life.

Morals are very subjective, especially when you call into question another's vs. your own. "Well, if I were there and X happened, I'd do Y". Well, you weren't, so you can't. No one can say for certain what they will do until something happens. It's easier to have an attitude of moral superiority when there's no risk in doing so. Rather than say "I will defend a stranger" and then not do so if the time comes, I am merely being honest in saying "I'm effen outta there asap. Yer on yer own buddy." At least you know I'm not going to try and be some hero.

If I save the life of a stranger, it will be in the defense of my own. If I can deescalate, escape, or otherwise avoid the situation, those are my choices before the last resort.

It's called covering your ASS-ets. I have too much to risk and lose. Feel free to gamble with your own life and don't judge me for how I live mine.

[JustPlainT]

I simply will not defend anyone except for me and mine. That's my morals. I'm not a "hero" and I never will be (at least, not in that kind of way).

I'm bugging out as fast as I can, and anyone that poses a threat to me or mine along the way is in for a bad day.

[XDM45]

I simply will not defend anyone except for me and mine. That's my morals. I'm not a "hero" and I never will be (at least, not in that kind of way).

I'm bugging out as fast as I can, and anyone that poses a threat to me or mine along the way is in for a bad day.

Man... I don't blame you. Same here.

I will say that there's nothing I won't do to protect my family and my life. There's no line I wouldn't cross and nothing I wouldn't do. ..and I mean that. It's not Internet bravado, masochism or anything other than don't eff with me and mine. Remember, I'm the guy that as a 5 year old kid attacked 3 teenagers in my home because I wasn't in on the deal of my sister being "kidnapped" for her birthday. Granted, neither of us were in any real danger, but I fought like it did and did everything in my power to defend my family.

Family is family and they will always come first over anyone and everyone else, even to the point of vicious brutality and inhumanity towards others.

[Mn01r6]

Should be your new Avatar:

[XDM45]

Should be your new Avatar:

You may jest, but I'm not.

What would you do to protect your family?
To what length would you go to prevent them from lethal harm?

Maybe I just lack the filter other people have in place and I say what we'd all really do, but only a rare few of us would admit to it; or maybe some people don't care about their family that much, either way, it doesn't matter to me as long as they leave me and mine alone.

[Heffay]

it doesn't matter to me as long as they leave me and mine alone.

If only you would give us the same consideration.

[XDM45]

it doesn't matter to me as long as they leave me and mine alone.

If only you would give us the same consideration.

So says the troll....... the irony.

[Heffay]

So says the troll....... the irony.

That sure doesn't sound like a refutation...

[XDM45]

So says the troll....... the irony.

That sure doesn't sound like a refutation...

Man you have to troll harder. Much.... much.....much harder than that.

[Lights]

Heffay don't you have a life besides trolling? I mean how the hell does a guy make 6558 post in a couple of years? Get a job dude.

[Heffay]

Heffay don't you have a life besides trolling? I mean how the hell does a guy make 6558 post in a couple of years? Get a job dude.

Trolling? I don't think you know what trolling is.

[sansooshooter]

I'm sure all the state bills across the country are being written in the White House and lobbyists are working them in each state.
Look at other bills in other states and they are basically the same language. This is their route to support national gun bans and gut the 2nd amendment.

Sorry for trying to get this thread back on track.

As the trolling derailment is some what amusing at times.

[JustPlainT]

Family is family and they will always come first over anyone and everyone else, even to the point of vicious brutality and inhumanity towards others.

Amen.

I'll let people do whatever they want to do, as long as it doesn't impact me and mine. Go get your gay marriage, smoke pot, do whatever. Even break laws that don't harm me, and I'll ignore you and let the police sort it out.

Try to harm my family in some way, and I will resist and oppose with whatever force is reasonable and acceptable. If it's politicians in St Paul, that may mean political opposition. If it's a violent intruder, that means overwhelming decisive force.