School shootings from the 1700's to present day in the US

[NMRMN]

When you quote the Bible, most people WILL take it that you are advocating the source.

But you go ahead and dodge as you see fit.

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Not dodging. Even if I intended to advocate, is that not my right? My point was that I was not advocating religion in the thread's conversation, nor was anyone else that I could tell.

[St. Olaf]

Again, more insults. C'mon man, seriously. No one is harmed by these except you.
You seem to be just an old pissed off and bitter man. Don't you know that happy people generally make the world a better place and unhappy people make it worse?

Notice that DoxaPar is still trying to change the subject.
I'll take it as a

Ill have to agree with Doxa on that one. You do not present yourself at peace...

I'll be at peace when I'm dead.

Until then, people who support an unequal education for America's children will hear from me.

[ferch]

Where are we getting the data that "per pupil" spending is more or less in certain districts? I have immediate family that works in the Accounting department of a district office in a school here in MN. From what she has explained to me, the school gets funding based on "student days" attended. Maybe the way it was explained to me was too simplistic, but the way I understood it was that the state pays X amount for each student per day while they are in school. There was no mention that this amount was different for each district, but rather it was a simple function of (number of students) x (number of days attending). So in this situation the school's funding would only vary based on the amount of students they have and the amount of days those students actually go to class. Students in poorer districts probably skip class more often which would be the only reason that a school in North Minneapols with 5000 students would get less funding than a school in Edina with 5000 students (assuming the number of school days a year is the same for each district).

[ferch]

Oh and to those that think school funding is directly responsible for student success are either on crack, completely brainwashed by the leftists in charge of education, or more likely has a personal stake in increasing teacher/education funding.
Ask any honest teacher not completely blinded by partisanship which student will succeed and which will fail within a few days of the start of the school year and they will be able to tell you with a high degree of accuracy. The students who succeed are the students who care about their own education themselves and/or the students whose parents/family care about their education. Sure, there are a few exceptional students who make a breakthrough. You could send a gang member to the fanciest private school in the world, but it won't change squat until he cares more about learnin' than he cares about slingin' dope.

[northernbird]

wow.. these conversations have really gone down the ******* quick lately.

So lets say we did transfer all the kids from edina to an inner city school and all the inner city kids to edina.. I would expect you'd see a slight improvement. maybe. Transfer a small portion and I think you'd see a much better improvement, but still not what your implying. The whole of the differences in the schools is not the facilities, or the teachers, or the extra curricular activities available.. A good portion of the difference is the kids that are there.

What factors in a classroom actually affect a kids ability to learn anything? I wager a kids actual presence in class might be one. The ability for a teacher to control a class rooom and move forward with lecture/instruction might be another. Having 'smart' boards instead of whiteboards or computers for everykid, can enhance the eduction, but seriously how many of us on this board feel we got a crappy education because smart boards werent invented or computers were new? or because our small school didnt have water polo and lacross?

Outside factors also play a huge role. someone to make sure homework is done, to help with said homework or provide transportation to some volunteer that will.. to set an example that you have to work for what you get and there aint no free lunch.

The reason I suggest that a partial switch would have a greater impact is that I'd think classroom behavior would be better if there were somepeople in class that were used to the proper way to behave in a class. peer pressure, and examples. no one likes to be the odd person out or the only one with no homework done. But if no one does homework, why would anyone?

[St. Olaf]

Here's a good place to learn about school funding.

http://www.schoolsforequity.org/

[St. Olaf]

Here's another good link: (Actually, one of the resources offered on the first link).

http://www.parentsunited.org/news/fundi ... e-schools/

[ferch]

So the differences in school funding come from the local levies passed to fund the districts. The community in Edina passes a levy to give additional funds to their local school district, the people in North Minneapolis want a cut of it because their local community doesn't chose to fund their schools as well as the Edina district does, so they pull the "inequality" card. Funny how liberal advocacy groups use a lot of buzz words but we could really just summarize them as "Socialism". Take money from some "rich" people and give it to others in exchange for votes.

[St. Olaf]

Yeah, that's it.

From the Tea Party perspective anyway.

[St. Olaf]

So lets say we did transfer all the kids from edina to an inner city school and all the inner city kids to edina.. I would expect you'd see a slight improvement. maybe. Transfer a small portion and I think you'd see a much better improvement, but still not what your implying. The whole of the differences in the schools is not the facilities, or the teachers, or the extra curricular activities available.. A good portion of the difference is the kids that are there.

So......the solution then, is to bus only portions of the students between schools......ALL the schools.

In that way we'd get a good mixture of students at ALL schools.

Great idea!!!

[tman]

Yeah, that's it.

From the Tea Party perspective anyway.

Doesn't make their perspective wrong. Just different than yours.

Try to keep up.


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[St. Olaf]

Yeah, that's it.

From the Tea Party perspective anyway.

Doesn't make their perspective wrong. Just different than yours.

Try to keep up.

Ah, the minority view.....and a miniscule minority at that.

There's no doubt that the abysmally backward and bizarre--yet nasty, noisy and tiny bunch of foil-hats called the Tea Party are profoundly wrong in every way.

[grousemaster]

Yeah, that's it.

From the Tea Party perspective anyway.

Doesn't make their perspective wrong. Just different than yours.

Try to keep up.

Ah, the minority view.....and a miniscule minority at that.

There's no doubt that the abysmally backward and bizarre--yet nasty, noisy and tiny bunch of foil-hats called the Tea Party are profoundly wrong in every way.

I'll bite. What specifically are they "profoundly wrong" on? The smaller taxes thing, or the smaller government thing? Both are totally outrageous ideas, of course.

[St. Olaf]

Name a Tea Party belief.

It's wrong.

[NMRMN]

Name a Tea Party belief.

It's wrong.

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