Which is the first AR to get?

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Re: Which is the first AR to get?

Postby rugersol on Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:48 am

... I'm sure someone's bound to **** on S&W ... but I was curious what's out there ... here's a few that might interest ya ...

$1,000 .300 BLK (I don't think ya necessarily need it fer hunting ... but it's a thought ... and ya can always get a .223 upper to swap onto it ... vs. the Colt, $600 buys a purdy nice upper! ;) )

$875 S&W ORC (I doubt it'll go fer $875 ... I'd strongly consider the "buy now" of $1075 ... slap a new CTR on there, and IMO, yer right in there with the Colt and DD!)

$1,500 VTAC (I thought these had Geissele triggers, not JP?! ... that said, this is an awful lot more gun fer the money ... and probly a damn sight better shooter ... than the Colt and DD! ... I'd be surprised if it goes fer $1,500 ... but no bidders, yet!)

$305 VTAC (this is the same thing ... but it says Geissele trigger! ... no way it'll go fer under $1,000 ... but if ya like the excitement of bidding?! ...)
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Re: Which is the first AR to get?

Postby DoxaPar on Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:29 am

If I've already got a .308 "hunting" rifle (FNAR) how would the S&W M&P 15 Sport be for 3-gun / plinking?

Anyone use one?
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Re: Which is the first AR to get?

Postby DoxaPar on Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:13 am

http://www.slickguns.com/product/smith- ... -79900-799

No idea about the rep. of this store but the link was shared with me from a friend.
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Re: Which is the first AR to get?

Postby rugersol on Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:32 am

DoxaPar wrote:If I've already got a .308 "hunting" rifle (FNAR) how would the S&W M&P 15 Sport be for 3-gun / plinking?

The "Sport" (vs. "ORC"), IIRC, has no foward-assist or dust-cover ... obviously not an issue fer plinking ... and, IMO, not an issue fer 3-gun ... if ya need to use the forward-assist during a run, ya probly tanked the stage, anyhow! ... and otherwise got other issues with the gun/ammo that need resolving!

That said, some 3-gun requires 200yd+ shooting ... not necessarily MOA ... but, IMO, the shooter magnifies what the gun's capable of ... IOW, if, locked in a vise, the gun's capable of 1.0 moa, but in yer hands, the best it'll do (let's say, kneeling) is 3.0 moa, then yer magnifying the gun's accuracy by a factor of 3x ... at which, if another gun were only capable of 2.0 moa, at 100yd yer group'd be 6in ... 12in at 200yd ... 18in at 300yd! ... whereas, if the gun's otherwise capable of 0.5 moa, ya'd be 1.5in at 100yd, 3in at 200yd, and 4.5in at 300yd! Moreover, if yer gun is 0.5 moa, and yer competition's gun is 1.0 moa, and he's twice as good a shot, as you (half magnification), yer actually even! :shock:

It's been my experience, a free-floated handguard is the 1st order of business, as to shrinking a gun's moa! That said, I personally don't think it's any big trick to change a bbl-nut and free-float an AR! ... however, some folks seem to lose a great deal of sleep, over the matter?! Depending on where ya shake out, on such things ... and how serious ya are 'bout yer plinking and yer 3-gun ... ya may wish to invest in a free-floated handguard, a really nice trigger, and a decent (mid-weight+) bbl, from the start?! Moreover, havin' looked around this morning, I'm of the opinion that, as a matter of percentages, the higher end guns (those with "nice" free-floated handguards, really nice triggers, and decent bbl's) are significantly less overpriced (vs. pre-December), than the lower end guns!

If ya otherwise ain't got that kinda money, IMO, the nice things 'bout AR's is, ya can get into one, and then change whatever, over the months/years, as ya like! IIRC, the "Sport" used to go fer as little as around $600?! If yer ok with payin' more than that, fer the same gun ... at the very least, it's a S&W! ;)

ETA: if ya reload, I'd also consider runnin' the FNAR in 3-gun ... it'd be "major" ... inside 100yd, and if there's a lotta rounds, it's probly a wash, 'er worse ... but at 200yd+ with a lower match round count ... might not be a bad way to go?! ... IIRC, that, and a pump 12ga, and a single-stack .45 is req'd fer "He-Man" 'er "Heavy Metal" division?!
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Re: Which is the first AR to get?

Postby FJ540 on Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:44 am

Just to pump in some added insights - the S&W labels their gun's whisper because they paid the fee to use the trademark. They're actually cut to blackout specs. The only difference is a slight increase in designed pressures due to a slightly longer leade in the blackout's chamber. The brass is also cut a little different, but for all intents and purposes, they're the same thing. Whisper ammo is GTG in blackout guns.

Accuracy is easily MOA even with CHF barrels if you get your load right. With bad loads (too hot), I'm still seeing 2MOA with a mil-spec unbroken in trigger (out of the box factory new - no tweaking). I bet it'd shrink if I put a two stage in it or did some honing.
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