Why does everyone insist on MN PTC?

[ForeverTwoWheels]

It may be the law under the strictest reading of the applicable statutes but I think it's a little illogical. Oh well. I have to get my MN to renew my UT anyway, of course Dakota wants the full $100 to give me permission to exercise my "rights".

[XDM45]

It may be the law under the strictest reading of the applicable statutes but I think it's a little illogical. Oh well. I have to get my MN to renew my UT anyway, of course Dakota wants the full $100 to give me permission to exercise my "rights".

Is $100 really that much money?

I mean I can see that if you work for minimum wage, but then those workers aren't even able to afford the basics necessities of life, let along firearms. There's a lot more things that I pay for in taxes which upset me far more than the cost of a PTC. Is it the cost or is it the fact that you think it should be free? I must be missing what you're upset about.

[wasfuzz]

It may be the law under the strictest reading of the applicable statutes but I think it's a little illogical. Oh well. I have to get my MN to renew my UT anyway, of course Dakota wants the full $100 to give me permission to exercise my "rights".

You don't have to get one, you want to get a PTC and if these are the steps you must take - just do it! As others have said is it really that big of a deal? I figure it is worth it just to not have to go get a PTP every year!!

[cobb]

The law requires that a transferee have proof that a background check has been conducted by a Minnesota law enforcement agency ( MN 624.7131 ). This is something that the Utah instructors would seldom bring up when selling their classes.

That is painting with a pretty wide brush Joe, something I usually don't see you do.

I have that argument all the time, Utah CFP holder point out that Minnesota recognizes a Utah CFP. I have to finish their sentence for them, Minnesota recognizes a Utah CFP to carry, not to purchase, two separate things.

[XDM45]

It's a good thing that state laws are limited to each state. If it crossed over like that we'd have one hell of a mess.

[mrp]

It may be the law under the strictest reading of the applicable statutes but I think it's a little illogical. Oh well. I have to get my MN to renew my UT anyway, of course Dakota wants the full $100 to give me permission to exercise my "rights".

Is $100 really that much money?

Don't ignore the cost of the mandatory training. And for many people, getting to the courthouse during business hours may be more than just a small hassle. And don't forget to include $50 for the ammo you need for the live fire portion.

[Hmac]

It's a moot point for the OP. He has to get a MN permit anyway since Utah requires a home-state permit.

[XDM45]

It may be the law under the strictest reading of the applicable statutes but I think it's a little illogical. Oh well. I have to get my MN to renew my UT anyway, of course Dakota wants the full $100 to give me permission to exercise my "rights".

Is $100 really that much money?

Don't ignore the cost of the mandatory training. And for many people, getting to the courthouse during business hours may be more than just a small hassle. And don't forget to include $50 for the ammo you need for the live fire portion.

That's still not that expensive to me, but then it's all a matter of perspective.

[JohnGageMN]

Probably because Minnesota law can be interpreted to only allow a MN permit to function as a permit to purchase. Here's the applicable statute:

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=624.7131

Subd. 9.Permit to carry.
A valid permit to carry issued pursuant to section 624.714 constitutes a transferee permit for the purposes of this section and section 624.7132.

A permit issued by another state is not issued pursuant to the Minnesota statute.

This.

Any sale by an FFL that doesn't follow the MN law is a crime.

Pretty simple, really.



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Not bad for a knuckle-dragging hosejockey, eh?

[LarryP]

Just go buy at a gun show

[leprechaun50]

"Meeker county just lowered their PTC I believe. Honestly, I'm not one for wasting money, but a MN PTC in most places is $100 and it's good for 5 years during which time you can both carry and buy pistols. $100 isn't anything really. Heck, that breaks down to $20.00 a year or 0.054 a day for a year. I can drop $100 going out to dinner and a movie. It's just not that expensive for what you get really. Would I like it if PTCs were free? Sure, of course, why not? It's not like they cost $1,000."

Forgot to throw in the cost of having to retake the training class before reapplying.

[XDM45]

"Meeker county just lowered their PTC I believe. Honestly, I'm not one for wasting money, but a MN PTC in most places is $100 and it's good for 5 years during which time you can both carry and buy pistols. $100 isn't anything really. Heck, that breaks down to $20.00 a year or 0.054 a day for a year. I can drop $100 going out to dinner and a movie. It's just not that expensive for what you get really. Would I like it if PTCs were free? Sure, of course, why not? It's not like they cost $1,000."

Forgot to throw in the cost of having to retake the training class before reapplying.

Seriously, I just don't see the problem here. Is everyone THAT broke???? Hell, I spent $700 on ONE gun. Thousands on ammo which will certainly not last me 5 years, heck I blew through 450 rounds of .45ACP today at the range and 400 rounds of .22LR, so .45 a round x 450 rounds is $202.50 + $7.00 for 100 rounds of .22LR x 4 = $28.00 for a grand total of $230.50. I fired my $600 XDm, my $700 XDs, my $269.00 Ruger Mark III 2245 while wearing my $130 holster and $110 belt.

So ok, let's say the PTC is $100 for the class, $100 for the permit, $50 for ammo, and let's just toss in another general $200 for whatever "Yeah, but...." someone here will post, that's $450.00, which in terms of money spent on guns, ammo, etc, isn't squat really. Are people just that cheap or just that broke? Again, I'm not saying that I wouldn't like it cheaper, but I'm saying that compared to other fees, taxes, etc that we pay, that's not that bad.

I guess everyone and I will just need to agree to disagree. If someone can't afford $450, maybe they need a new line of work that pays better or they need to stop smoking or something. I don't know.I just don't get it and I never will. Oh well.

[Drizzle]

It may be the law under the strictest reading of the applicable statutes but I think it's a little illogical. Oh well. I have to get my MN to renew my UT anyway, of course Dakota wants the full $100 to give me permission to exercise my "rights".

So you have a MN PTC and for some reason want to show a UT non resident PTC to buy a weapon in MN and are upset when the stores tell you no? I assume you stood on principle and didn't show them your MN PTC, so you couldn't buy what you wanted. And then you came on here to complain about it. Does that about cover it? Do you also try to write out of state checks for large grocery purchases, and then leave a cart full at the checkout when the store won't accept your check, even though you have cash and a credit card? Sounds like you make your life harder than it needs to be.

[Hmac]

It may be the law under the strictest reading of the applicable statutes but I think it's a little illogical. Oh well. I have to get my MN to renew my UT anyway, of course Dakota wants the full $100 to give me permission to exercise my "rights".

So you have a MN PTC and for some reason want to show a UT non resident PTC to buy a weapon in MN and are upset when the stores tell you no? I assume you stood on principle and didn't show them your MN PTC, so you couldn't buy what you wanted. And then you came on here to complain about it. Does that about cover it? Do you also try to write out of state checks for large grocery purchases, and then leave a cart full at the checkout when the store won't accept your check, even though you have cash and a credit card? Sounds like you make your life harder than it needs to be.

He doesn't have a Minnesota permit-to-carry. Utah's new laws now require that he have a permit in his state of residence before they'll let him renew his Utah PTC, so now he has to get a MN PTC. He's complaining about the cost he's now forced to endure...the $100 cost of the Minnesota permit plus the cost of the Minnesota PTC carry course, presumably from Utah-certified instructors.

[bstrawse]

The bigger question is, If i can pass the NICS background check why should it matter if i have a PTP, PTC or even be a resident of the state where I am purchasing the firearm when I am purchasing from an FFL?

Because, right now, that's what MN law requires for a handgun or "assault weapon" purchase.
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