Executive order

[Rip Van Winkle]

Estimates range from months, out as far as 2 years as to when the domestic supply of smokeless powder could disappear.

Source?

Have you looked at store shelves lately?

[Heffay]

Estimates range from months, out as far as 2 years as to when the domestic supply of smokeless powder could disappear.

Source?

Have you looked at store shelves lately?

Anecdotes ain't evidence.

[yuppiejr]

At this point all I can say is: 'the internets'. The time frame was mentioned in something I read, but do not have immediate access to.

Given the date (3 days ago) and content of this article directly from the source, I (normally pretty skeptical of the latest "sky is falling" web FUD) thought this link <previously shared above> was worth the time to read and consider. Something is in the works, this action is clearly setting aside separate authority for the AG allowing him control over importation of items defined within USML (USMIL) instead of the SoS.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2013-04 ... -09392.pdf

Summary:

AGENCY: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
Firearms, and Explosives (ATF),
Department of Justice.
ACTION: Final rule.

SUMMARY: The Department of Justice is amending Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) regulations to remove the cross reference to the regulatory United States Munitions List (USML) of the
International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) that appears at 27 CFR 447.21; to clarify that the Attorney General exercises delegated authority pursuant to the Arms Export Control Act (AECA) and Executive Order 13637 to designate defense articles and defense services as part of the statutory USML for purposes of permanent import controls, regardless of whether the Secretary of State controls such defense articles or defense services for purposes of export and temporary import; and to clarify that defense articles and defense services controlled pursuant to the Attorney General’s delegated AECA authority are part of the statutory USML (along with those that are controlled for export and temporary import by the Secretary of State), but that the list of defense articles and defense services controlled by the Attorney General is labeled the USMIL to distinguish it from the list of defense articles and defense services in the ITAR that are controlled by the Secretary of State.


..
the Department of Justice is clarifying its regulations by amending 27 CFR 447.21, to do the following:

(i) Remove the language adopting the State Department export control list maintained in the ITAR;

(ii) Clarify that[b] the Attorney General exercises delegated authority to designate defense articles and defense services for inclusion on the USML for purposes of permanent import controls, regardless of whether such items are controlled by the Secretary of State for purposes of export or temporary import[/b]; and

(iii) Clarify that the defense articles and defense services regulated for purposes of permanent import pursuant to the AECA authority delegated to the Attorney General appear in the permanent import control list labeled the USMIL, set out at 27 CFR Part 447, and that the USMIL is a subset o..


This being USMIL within USML ("the list") - http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?c= ... .2.2.3.1.1

The U.S. Munitions Import List

category i—firearms

(a) Nonautomatic and semiautomatic firearms, to caliber .50 inclusive, combat shotguns, and shotguns with barrels less than 18 inches in length, and all components and parts for such firearms.

(b) Automatic firearms and all components and parts for such firearms to caliber .50 inclusive.

(c) Insurgency-counterinsurgency type firearms of other weapons having a special military application (e.g. close assault weapons systems) regardless of caliber and all components and parts for such firearms.

(d) Firearms silencers and suppressors, including flash suppressors.

(e) Riflescopes manufactured to military specifications and specifically designed or modified components therefor.

Note: Rifles, carbines, revolvers, and pistols, to caliber .50 inclusive, combat shotguns, and shotguns with barrels less than 18 inches in length are included under Category I(a). Machineguns, submachineguns, machine pistols and fully automatic rifles to caliber .50 inclusive are included under Category I(b).

category ii—artillery projectors
(a) Guns over caliber .50, howitzers, mortars, and recoiless rifles.

(b) Military flamethrowers and projectors.

(c) Components, parts, accessories, and attachments for the articles in paragraphs (a) and (b) of this category, including but not limited to mounts and carriages for these articles.

category iii—ammunition
(a) Ammunition for the arms in Categories I and II of this section.

(b) Components, parts, accessories, and attachments for articles in paragraph (a) of this category, including but not limited to cartridge cases, powder bags, bullets, jackets, cores, shells (excluding shotgun shells), projectiles, boosters, fuzes and components therefor, primers, and other detonating devices for such ammunition.

(c) Ammunition belting and linking machines.

(d) Ammunition manufacturing machines and ammunition loading machines (except handloading ones).

Note: Cartridge and shell casings are included under Category III unless, prior to their importation, they have been rendered useless beyond the possibility of restoration for use as a cartridge or shell casing by means of heating, flame treatment, mangling, crushing, cutting, or popping.

[Thunder71]

Wow, so basically no importation of ANYTHING gun related... period.

[xd ED]

Wow, so basically no importation of ANYTHING gun related... period.

S & W hats from china should be OK.

[Heffay]

Wow, so basically no importation of ANYTHING gun related... period.

From what I can tell they are saying they will be responsible for setting the rules for importing those items, but that doesn't necessarily mean a ban.

Technically, if these things are already the responsibility of the SoS to regulate, doesn't this just change who does that work?

[Hmac]

Wow, so basically no importation of ANYTHING gun related... period.

From what I can tell they are saying they will be responsible for setting the rules for importing those items, but that doesn't necessarily mean a ban.

I agree. We don't know, yet, exactly what it means.

[Thunder71]

Any change at this point throw up red flags for me...

[sansooshooter]

Wow, so basically no importation of ANYTHING gun related... period.

From what I can tell they are saying they will be responsible for setting the rules for importing those items, but that doesn't necessarily mean a ban.

Technically, if these things are already the responsibility of the SoS to regulate, doesn't this just change who does that work?

Yea I'm sure it will be benign

[xd ED]

Just streamlining the regulatory process.

[yuppiejr]

Correct - I see a recent change in authority (AG / Eric Holder instead of the SoS / John Kerry) as to who gets to define what is regulated for importation, the action itself is not banning anything but given the timing and the current political climate I'd call it a valid tripwire that indicates something is in the works regarding an executive order that will in some way effect importation of firearms and related products that the AG is now free to define the scope of (which is already broad enough to cover pretty much everything gun owners care about). I wonder if the "scope creep" that is presumably the reason for the change will push into the "sporter" category products including rifles with 20+ inch barrels, shotgun + rimfire ammo, non "military caliber" ammunition, etc...

[darkwolf45]

Source?

Have you looked at store shelves lately?

Anecdotes ain't evidence.[/quote]

No, but observetions are. Hearing stories about a shortage here or there is anecdotal, but actually going and observing multiple locations yourself (which was implied here) is definitively gathering of evidence. It may not be the broad, vetted by "reputable sources" kind of evidence, but it is evidence none the less.

[Heffay]

Anecdotes ain't evidence.

No, but observetions are. Hearing stories about a shortage here or there is anecdotal, but actually going and observing multiple locations yourself (which was implied here) is definitively gathering of evidence. It may not be the broad, vetted by "reputable sources" kind of evidence, but it is evidence none the less.

That's not quite right, but good try!

[sansooshooter]

Anecdotes ain't evidence.

No, but observetions are. Hearing stories about a shortage here or there is anecdotal, but actually going and observing multiple locations yourself (which was implied here) is definitively gathering of evidence. It may not be the broad, vetted by "reputable sources" kind of evidence, but it is evidence none the less.

That's not quite right, but good try!

Yes , Who are you going to believe Heffay or your own eyes?

[Hmac]

Anecdotes ain't evidence.

No, but observetions are. Hearing stories about a shortage here or there is anecdotal, but actually going and observing multiple locations yourself (which was implied here) is definitively gathering of evidence. It may not be the broad, vetted by "reputable sources" kind of evidence, but it is evidence none the less.

Yes , Who are you going to believe Heffay or your own eyes?

It depends largely on how one defines "evidence". An anonymous poster on the internet reporting his observations of one (or even several) stores doesn't qualify as "evidence". It's anecdotal.