Officials guilty in Obama, Clinton ballot petition fraud

View · by **MasonK** on Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:46 pm

We need a 28th Amendment to impose term limits on US Senators and Reps; I'm not concerned with the repeal of the 22nd ever happening.

View · by **jdege** on Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:56 pm

Heffay wrote:The Republican governor of Pennsylvania specifically said that voter ID laws are designed to help get Republicans elected.

True, but only because the Democrat Party has been engaging in widespread election fraud for most of its history.

View · by **Icmgwot** on Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:44 am

OldmanFCSA wrote:As long as we are considering political fraud, my concern is that Obama doesn't try for a 3rd and permanent Presidential term. US Constitution documents say 2 term limit BUT we all know how he feels about out Constitution and Bill of Rights. Impose Marshall Law, disband the Election process, etc. Executive Law has been abused (all presidents do, but to sign an Executive Law because Congress fails to do his bidding, raises concerns).

For Pete's sake, this is as ridiculous as when all the crazies said Bush was going to disband the constitution and be president for life. Of all the things to be concerned about from your government, this is definitely the least likely. Seriously. Spend your time worrying about the things that are actually happening. There's plenty of erosion of rights stipulated by the first 10 amendments. No need to start fretting about the 22nd.

But it's good to see that both sides of the political spectrum can find common ground in sharing this completely paranoid fear when they're not in charge.

MXGreg wrote:President Obama could get 3 terms if H.J.Res 15 abolishes term limits

http://www.examiner.com/article/preside ... erm-limits

Case in point. This was a bill introduced by a single Representative, with zero co-sponsors. It didn't even get out of committee, much less even get called to a vote. Much less pass the (Republican Held) house by a 2/3 majority, much less the senate by the same margin. Much less get ratified by 3/4 of the states. (38!) At least FCSA's fear involved one incredibly unlikely event to happen. Yours seems to required six or seven in a row.

View · by **MXGreg** on Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:52 am

Icmgwot wrote:
MXGreg wrote:President Obama could get 3 terms if H.J.Res 15 abolishes term limits

http://www.examiner.com/article/preside ... erm-limits

Case in point. This was a bill introduced by a single Representative, with zero co-sponsors. It didn't even get out of committee, much less even get called to a vote. Much less pass the (Republican Held) house by a 2/3 majority, much less the senate by the same margin. Much less get ratified by 3/4 of the states. (38!) At least FCSA's fear involved one incredibly unlikely event to happen. Yours seems to required six or seven in a row.

Gee, all I did was post a link to an article that was along the lines of what somebody else was talking about. :roll:

View · by **Icmgwot** on Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:20 am

MXGreg wrote:Gee, all I did was post a link to an article that was along the lines of what somebody else was talking about.

Well, let's not feed the crazies. Even if you don't personally believe what you're posting, it sure gets hard to tell the difference.

View · by **OldmanFCSA** on Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:49 am

Icmgwot wrote:
MXGreg wrote:Gee, all I did was post a link to an article that was along the lines of what somebody else was talking about.
Well, let's not feed the crazies. Even if you don't personally believe what you're posting, it sure gets hard to tell the difference.

It's fun to post a story heard elsewhere and read discussions from a totally different perspective.
Then sit back and see what happens. Thought provoking discussion with research to which Amendment would be affected.
Thanks for the Input. :roll:

View · by **Hmac** on Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:54 pm

MXGreg wrote:
OldmanFCSA wrote:As long as we are considering political fraud, my concern is that Obama doesn't try for a 3rd and permanent Presidential term. US Constitution documents say 2 term limit BUT we all know how he feels about out Constitution and Bill of Rights. Impose Marshall Law, disband the Election process, etc. Executive Law has been abused (all presidents do, but to sign an Executive Law because Congress fails to do his bidding, raises concerns).

From January:

President Obama could get 3 terms if H.J.Res 15 abolishes term limits

http://www.examiner.com/article/preside ... erm-limits

Serrano has introduced that same legislation every two years since 1997, including under GW Bush. In fact, legislation to repeal the 22nd amendment has been introduced 21 times in the last 19 years. Never even heard in committee.

View · by **Stoley_XD** on Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:17 pm

"Because it does? Both sides of this issue agree that it would affect a significant number of people. It's not really in doubt. The Republican governor of Pennsylvania specifically said that voter ID laws are designed to help get Republicans elected.

What are you saying Democrat voters are both lazy and stupid?

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View · by **Heffay** on Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:44 am

Stoley_XD wrote:
"Because it does? Both sides of this issue agree that it would affect a significant number of people. It's not really in doubt. The Republican governor of Pennsylvania specifically said that voter ID laws are designed to help get Republicans elected.

What are you saying Democrat voters are both lazy and stupid?

No. Are you saying that?

View · by **Back In Black** on Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:29 pm

jdege wrote:
Heffay wrote:The Republican governor of Pennsylvania specifically said that voter ID laws are designed to help get Republicans elected.

True, but only because the Democrat Party has been engaging in widespread election fraud for most of its history.

Actually, it couldn't be further from the truth. Mr. Heffay is making crap up.

View · by **Icmgwot** on Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:47 pm

Back In Black wrote:
jdege wrote:
Heffay wrote:The Republican governor of Pennsylvania specifically said that voter ID laws are designed to help get Republicans elected.

True, but only because the Democrat Party has been engaging in widespread election fraud for most of its history.

Actually, it couldn't be further from the truth. Mr. Heffay is making crap up.

Heffay may not quite have all the specifics straight, but he's far from making stuff up.

It was a reference to the Pennsylvania Republican House Leader (not governer) claiming that the previous passage of voterID laws was going to allow Romney to win Pennsylvania in the upcoming presidential race. If you don't believe it, you can go watch the clip on youtube.

View · by **jshuberg** on Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:22 pm

I see. So whenever some a$$hat says something you agree with, it's proof of something. Got it.

View · by **Heffay** on Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:57 pm

jshuberg wrote:I see. So whenever some a$$hat says something you agree with, it's proof of something. Got it.

No. When some asshat says what everyone is thinking, it's a refreshing breath of fresh air in politics that doesn't happen nearly often enough.

View · by **jshuberg** on Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:26 pm

Everyone being you, and those who agree with you...

View · by **Icmgwot** on Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:35 pm

jshuberg wrote:I see. So whenever some a$$hat says something you agree with, it's proof of something. Got it.

How you interpret it is definitely colored by your existing beliefs. But the fact remains that voter ID laws will have a significant impact on who can vote. Both sides agree on this. And Heffay was correct in pointing it out.

Now, whether you interpret Mike Turzai's comment to mean that those laws will get Republicans elected because it stops widespread Democratic voter fraud, or because it prevents young and minorities from voting...that's definitely up to your interpretation. Consider it a double-edged dog whistle.