Is the panic over?

[fabb600]

Cabela's Rogers was also pretty well stocked with powder yesterday. And bullets, including .224. More than they've had in a while. I'm wondering if they perhaps shifted some inventory to appear favorable compared to Gander that just opened near them.BB

What time was that? I was at the Rogers store @ 10:00am and couldn't find primers, powder or .223/5.56 rounds.

[PHATSPEED7x]

Well it's sad to say that I had to cut ties with Glen's Army Navy of Grand Rapids MN today. Their level of customer service has gone in the *******, and they are just in the market to gouge the consumer. One of the guys behind the gun counter was straight up arguing with a customer over .22LR

Sales rep "Look! We've had this problem for months now! .22LR is the most popular caliber, and we don't have any. I've had 75 cases on back order, and I don't have a exact date of when I should see it. And when we do get it, I will assure you it will be a brick limit per customer"

I left before tensions got any higher... And I'm sure when they do get .22LR in it will be $100 for a brick of 500, and limit on per customer...

[Snakeman721]

Well it's sad to say that I had to cut ties with Glen's Army Navy of Grand Rapids MN today. Their level of customer service has gone in the *******, and they are just in the market to gouge the consumer. One of the guys behind the gun counter was straight up arguing with a customer over .22LR

Sales rep "Look! We've had this problem for months now! .22LR is the most popular caliber, and we don't have any. I've had 75 cases on back order, and I don't have a exact date of when I should see it. And when we do get it, I will assure you it will be a brick limit per customer"

I left before tensions got any higher... And I'm sure when they do get .22LR in it will be $100 for a brick of 500, and limit on per customer...

I don't know, kinda sounds like the sales guy was tired of answering the "got any .22 ammo...when are you going to get some?" question 5000 times a day for the last 6 months. I'd cut them some slack. NOBODY has .22 ammo in stock for more than 2 hours (at a half way reasonable price) and I'm sure all the sales people EVERYWHERE are tired of hearing the same questions over and over again....especially since they have NO CONTROL of when their re-supply will be shipped to them.

[xd ED]

Well it's sad to say that I had to cut ties with Glen's Army Navy of Grand Rapids MN today. Their level of customer service has gone in the *******, and they are just in the market to gouge the consumer. One of the guys behind the gun counter was straight up arguing with a customer over .22LR

Sales rep "Look! We've had this problem for months now! .22LR is the most popular caliber, and we don't have any. I've had 75 cases on back order, and I don't have a exact date of when I should see it. And when we do get it, I will assure you it will be a brick limit per customer"

I left before tensions got any higher... And I'm sure when they do get .22LR in it will be $100 for a brick of 500, and limit on per customer...

What should he have said?

[MNGunGuy]

Well it's sad to say that I had to cut ties with Glen's Army Navy of Grand Rapids MN today. Their level of customer service has gone in the *******, and they are just in the market to gouge the consumer. One of the guys behind the gun counter was straight up arguing with a customer over .22LR

Sales rep "Look! We've had this problem for months now! .22LR is the most popular caliber, and we don't have any. I've had 75 cases on back order, and I don't have a exact date of when I should see it. And when we do get it, I will assure you it will be a brick limit per customer"

I left before tensions got any higher... And I'm sure when they do get .22LR in it will be $100 for a brick of 500, and limit on per customer...

I don't know, kinda sounds like the sales guy was tired of answering the "got any .22 ammo...when are you going to get some?" question 5000 times a day for the last 6 months. I'd cut them some slack. NOBODY has .22 ammo in stock for more than 2 hours (at a half way reasonable price) and I'm sure all the sales people EVERYWHERE are tired of hearing the same questions over and over again....especially since they have NO CONTROL of when their re-supply will be shipped to them.

If you work in a customer service job it doesn't matter. You never treat customers rudely. Arnzen lost my business for the same reason as above, continued crappy customer service from a single individual.

[PHATSPEED7x]

They could save alot of questions if they just posted a sign on the front door explaining the ammo shortage... that's what L&M and walmart have done...

[kbpc]

Cabela's Rogers was also pretty well stocked with powder yesterday. And bullets, including .224. More than they've had in a while. I'm wondering if they perhaps shifted some inventory to appear favorable compared to Gander that just opened near them.BB

What time was that? I was at the Rogers store @ 10:00am and couldn't find primers, powder or .223/5.56 rounds.

I went Friday morning and they had powder but no primers, I was able to get some 231. They must get shipments mid week or something.

[FJ540]

Ask John at gunstop about 9mm sometime. It's a sore spot for vendors - they know people want it, and they can't get any. Every single one of those people asking is rubbing salt in a wound. Think about it: customer walks in wanting to spend money, then asks you for something you can't sell them. It's not just the repetition of the question a zillion times, it's the harsh reality that sales are being lost and blasted at your face all day long, for months on end.

Without merchandise, a vendor has no business. It's a bad situation for both sides of the transaction.

[Deputyhiro]

That is correct. Just about every box of primers taken off the store shelves at regular price winds up on gunbroker, I'd be willing to bet. I know of a couple guys that know cabelas stock schedule like clockwork. Just clear the shelves and double+ their money. The "panic" will not end when **** like that keeps happening.

So out of curiosity, why don't ammunition manufacturers (temporarily) increase their prices? That would kill off that kind of insider arbitrage, and work to bring supply and prices back down faster afterwards. It would also allow those manufacturers to spend the increased profits on more permanent capacity, as well as increase the incentive for new manufacturers.

I know I for one wouldn't mind paying more for scarce ammunition knowing that the extra cash went to federal, rather than some skeezy internet scalper.

How about this......Don't buy from that skeezy internet scalper. If people had enough common sense not to buy from them the problem would correct itself pretty quickly

Bingo.

[heavygunner]

Had a good day at the store, had 223 PCM bronze for 7.99 per box and federal champion 22lr for 2.99 box the only thing is limit 2 per custermer per day but better then nothing. Also had a few other of my favor calibers witch was shocking! Looks like 223/556 is finally catching up,I have seen it in many different places in store and online for responsible prices.

[MXGreg]

I was snooping around Gunbroker last night a saw that Coyote Creek in Rochester has 1000 rds of Tulammo 9mm on auction. I was in the area today so I stopped in to see if they had any on the shelf. I was told "Nope, had some last weekend". That was my first and last visit to that place.

[morepower02]

I was snooping around Gunbroker last night a saw that Coyote Creek in Rochester has 1000 rds of Tulammo 9mm on auction. I was in the area today so I stopped in to see if they had any on the shelf. I was told "Nope, had some last weekend". That was my first and last visit to that place.

Worthless scalpers. When I was in the market for a Springfield XDS Reeds in walker said sorry none for sale. Guess what they had 6 on Gunbroker for way over retail...

[XDM45]

Just some food for thought.......

Replace "gun", "ammo, "primer", "powder", "casings" for "food", "water", "medicine", "shelter", etc; and then multiply by that 1,000 and you MIGHT be close to what a long-term SHTF/WROL situation may be like. Yes, this "shortage" is largely fueled by an artificial shortage because while there is some actual shortage, it's not as bad as it would be if the demand and scalping wasn't there. Now imagine a true shortage of those things I mentioned, even in the short-term, let alone in the long.

Yes, some of you have a buttload of guns, powder, primers, can shoot the nuts off a squirrel while blindfolded, and are God's gift to guns; but how much food, water, medicine, and other things do you have stored up? Do you have an alternate location to go to? A Plan A and a Plan B? How prepared are you really? No, I don't want to know. Blabbing about that on the Internet or anywhere else is stupid. STFU about it. Don't tell me or anyone. Just ask yourself those questions and know the answers to and for yourself and your family -- and then do something about it. To be prepared, you need to be well-rounded in many areas, and no one is perfect. There's some areas I'm set on, others, I need to work on, some others I need to start in on. Some of you are probably much more prepared than I am, some others, much less so. It's not a competition of who has more or less, it's survival. Not all enemies will come at you in the form of humankind. Disease and Famine come to mind for starters.

SHTF/WROL, even in a short-term situation, can be devastating, and let's not even talk about if it's long-term such as if the country and/or society falls. We have plenty of short-term real-life situations from which we can draw pretty accurate conclusions and guesstimates how things would play out. Look at NYC in 1977 when power was out for 2 weeks, or more recently, Hurricane Katrina. There are other examples, but you get the idea.

I know the thread is really about "is the panic over" regarding guns and ammo, but that's really a small part of the picture. When the real "panic time" happens, if you aren't prepared, you won't have time to be. Look at this "ammo shortage". Some people stocked up, like myself, and were ok. Other people who did not, are not, and cannot. Good luck buying a large quantity of ammo right now. If you can find it, it's over-priced, and even so, no one is selling massive quantities (10,000 - 25,000 rounds or more) in a single order from what I've seen. (I have seen some in .22LR for 5,000 rounds).

Look.... I'm not trying to derail the thread here, but I think everyone needs to be prepared the best they can, and not just be prepared with guns and ammo, let's look at the larger picture. Let's just say a snow storm happened and you ended up without power for a week, no "Hurricane Katrina", no WROL/SHTF even short-term, what's your plan? Even if it's to go to a hotel, do you have a plan?

Guns and ammo are great, but you can't eat them. Crackers and MREs are great, but you can't shoot them. You need to eat to live and defend yourself, your families, your lives, and your supplies too. It's all about a proper balance. I'm fine with keeping this thread on the guns and ammo panic topic, but I just wanted to put that out there so people don't get lost on a single tree and miss the forest.

Remember, guns exist so you can survive, you do not exist so guns can survive. They're just a tool.

[PHATSPEED7x]

But also remember those zombies aren't going to kill themselves...

[morepower02]

To qoute Hank JR."a country boy can survive" I got a shotgun a rifle and a four wheel drive and a country boy can survive. Good luck in MPLS