3 Gun Training Class by National Experts

[IDPA Shooter]

Now moved to July 20 & 21 we host Mike Seeklander and Erik Lund at Forest Lake Sportsmen Club. All the details are on my website and we already have a decent turnout. Details are on my website at http://www.mnguntrain.com/classes-by-ou ... eeklander/

Cost is $525 and Mike has lowered the round count for folks needing to conserve ammo. I personally vouch for Mike's abilities as an instructor and ask you to to confirm his skills with the folks who attended the class with me last year. His background, skills and many major match wins, along with Erik's speak for themselves. For more details on class content http://www.shooting-performance.com/ycmgtp-1.html

[-=VILLY=-]

I have seen both Mike Seeklander and Erik Lund in action at the major 3-gun matches. Both are very good shooters and are great to be around with. If it wasn't for a family commitment I couldn't skip, I'd be attending this training.

A lot of local 3-gunners always ask me where to go for training. Here it is, right in our own back yard.

[Dave]

Mike has lowered the round count for folks needing to conserve ammo.

Not that I can afford it, but what did he lower the round counts to?

[IDPA Shooter]

Mike has lowered the round count for folks needing to conserve ammo.

Not that I can afford it, but what did he lower the round counts to?

Basically Mike and other instructors I host have said you need at least 60% of the ammo I recommend for the class.

This allows a student to do all the drills, but to conserve their limited ammo supplies. Mike recoomnds a
1,000 rds of 556/223 ammo but 600 will allow full participation over the two days, We will often repeat a given drill
3 times slow, normal and then fast speed and then do it 2 more times at speed. You can do the drill 3 times with 20
rds, rather than 5 or what I do is shoot it 5 times but with just 12 rds at atime. Handgun ammo for Mike's 2 day class
3 Gun class is just 100 rounds while shotgun is 575 total , with 500 rds being birdshot.

Vogel wanted a 1,000 rds this weekend for his USPSA class, but 600rds allowed you to do everything

John Farnam and Mike Seeklander are both allowing 60% of recommended in their Defensive Handgun classes later this year

[IDPA Shooter]

We all know the ammo shortage is bad and 556/223 rds are hard to find and pricey. We were therefore NOT able to make the minimum student count for Mike Seeklander and Erik Lund to train us on June 1 and 2. However, the plan is to push the date back into the summer season, as we had several folks who had the ammo, but just a date conflict.

My plan is to work with Mike and Erik and try to reset the date to something that works for our existing students and allows the folks who wanted to attend to get this training. I'm working with Ron Westberg on the range and will definitely avoid big 3 Gun matches and other key events to try and make the training happen this summer.

[DoxaPar]

Just a thought here but as someone who'd be interested on doing this maybe the rd. count wasn't the issue in getting a min. number of students.

[IDPA Shooter]

Just a thought here but as someone who'd be interested on doing this maybe the rd. count wasn't the issue in getting a min. number of students.

If it is cost, nothing much I can do to control that aspect. Ammo costs what it does, that's sad and that's when you can find it. Their fees are on their websites. Trainers I bring in are nationally ranked shooting champions, often they are authors and/or national and international experts (like John Farnam/Massad Ayoob) in their fields who are at the top of their games. They generally fly in, have car and hotel/meal expenses and have a travel day on each side of the class. Plus we have to cover range fees and their minimum charges, targets, water, supplies, insurance, etc. My cut is a free seat if I get 10 students to attend ( see their website) and I can sell that seat or take it myself.

Sometimes you get lucky and a national champion like Ben Stoeger can drive over for a class and avoid these expenses. Seeklander and Lund live in Tulsa, Vogel made a 12 hr drive from Ohio to join us this past weekend. Reports are the 6 folks who attended Vogel had a great class with a great guy who is the current World Champion. No surprise, Robert Vogel is an awesome shooter and trainer. Ron waived his range minimums and I made $25 gross hosting Robert Vogel this year. I was glad to do it, we had the World Champion in MN again.

Is it quality, well, I'm not a 3 Gunner but Chief Bryan Payne the head of MN 3 Gun said Mike and Erik were both great 3 gun shooters and had fine reps as instructors. Jomar V posted the same thing here and said, BTW, they are nice guys to hang out with too. I don't think most folks question the skills and training provided by any of the trainers I host.

Nothing personal, I don't know you, but I can't host these classes with national experts for $100 a day. Quality costs, whether its guns, gear or training.

For the 5 hour class I hosted this past weekend, we had to charge $175 for just over 5 hours of training for Don Larson's Defensive Pistol 1. We had 10 folks there. We had 5 fully trained, highly certified experienced instructors there to assist these folks in getting safely started in holster work and basic drills. Everyone I heard from so far found the training useful, relevant and appreciated the hands on personal attention.

[DoxaPar]

Yep, no issues here just throwing out the typical questions of assessment as to why classes don't generally fill up. Schedules, cost, quality, etc. I'm sure it will work out great.

[MNGunGuy]

Glad it's being rescheduled and not just going away. If I'm open the weekend it's scheduled I'll be there. My rifle game needs help.

[IDPA Shooter]

Glad it's being rescheduled and not just going away. If I'm open the weekend it's scheduled I'll be there. My rifle game needs help.

Let me see if I can help you and the others on the board that may be really interested. I'm waiting for a date or dates from Mike and will immediately get with Ron on the range dates and try to avoid major match dates. One look at the mngunsite calendar tells me we will have conflicts. But once we have a date or two that works, I'll immediately get the word out to the folks who have previously signed up and anyone else who has sent me their email address.

So , no need to respond to this post, just email me at bob@mnguntrain.com with your address if you have the funds, ammo and the interest in intense 3 Gun Training by nationally ranked shooters. You'll will then be the 1st to know the details. I doubt we will get both instructors unless we get 10 or 12 folks, but either one alone will provide a great class.

Remember, no newbies pls, this is only for folks who have attended several 3 guns, know the rules and have the gear. Vogel went so well this weekend since the attendees were all experienced USPSA shooters, half were RSO's and all were at about the same classification. Throw a newbie or low D shooter in the class and the dynamics change for the worse.

[IDPA Shooter]

Ok shooters we have a new date for 3 Gun Class , its now July 20 and 21, and still at Forest Lake Sportsmen with all the same terms. We just new a few more folks to sign up for it to happen

All the details are on my website at http://www.mnguntrain.com/classes-by-ou ... er-e-lund/ and Mike Seeklander's website is updated too at
http://www.shooting-performance.com/com ... asses.html

Mike Seeklander may attend, based on his travel schedule. Highly rated 3 Gunner and USPSA Grand Master Erik Lund's is confirmed, his shooting profile is at
http://www.shooting-performance.com/s-p ... ors_2.html

Need Ammo ? I have a friend in WI who has more than 10 cases of Magtech 55gr FMJ 1,000 round cases in his garage. He is willing to sell it for $550 a thousand and ship the sealed factory case to students in this class for the $550 plus actual shipping costs. I know $.55 a round is not cheap, but it is decent ammo and he has it, with no sales tax. I'll give his contact info to anyone who signs up, it may go quickly, so as John Farnam would say don't dither....

Also a shout out to Jomar V, a real asset to local shooters. Jomar will be publishing this on their MN 3 Gun Facebook and web page. He and Chief Bryan Payne have both publicly said Erik and Mike are great shooters, competitors and trainers, we have a great facility managed by Ron Westberg to host the event. I promise no snow in July. If you want high quality 3 Gun training sign up now!

[Dave Timm]

I am going to see if I can make the days work. I will also state that these guys are not only great guys but great shooters. I always love learning more about the 3 gun game so I have no doubt this would be great training.

Thanks for hosting this, knowing from personal experience hosting training does take work and time.

Dave

[-=VILLY=-]

I apologize for the delayed response Bob. I was at the Midwest 3-Gun Championsip in Missouri over the weekend.

We're working on getting this class info up on our Minnesota 3-Gun Group website (http://www.mn3gungroup.org/) and on our Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/MN3GunGroup?v=wall). I've also reposted your posting on the Brian Enos Forum where most of the nation's 3-Gunners go for 3-Gun information (http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.p ... pic=175066).

I want to thank Bob for bringing this high quality training to the folks here in Minnesota. As I've said before, I've seen both Mike Seeklander and Erik Lund in action at the major 3-gun matches. Both are very good shooters and well known for it. Both are great to be around with and have a wealth of knowledge.

A lot of local 3-gunners always ask me where I've gone for training and where they can go for training. I've gone to a lot of training all over the nation, as far east as Blackwater USA in North Carolina and as far west as Front Sight in Nevada. I've spent a lot of money and resources not just on the training fees, but also travelling and lodging costs. Well here's one to be held right here in our own back yard. The instructors are the ones who'll be travelling. Here is your opportunity to attend a high quality training, specifically on 3-Gun shooting, without all the travelling and lodging hassles.

[IDPA Shooter]

I apologize for the delayed response Bob. I was at the Midwest 3-Gun Championsip in Missouri over the weekend.

We're working on getting this class info up on our Minnesota 3-Gun Group website (http://www.mn3gungroup.org/) and on our Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/MN3GunGroup?v=wall). I've also reposted your posting on the Brian Enos Forum where most of the nation's 3-Gunners go for 3-Gun information (http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.p ... pic=175066).

I want to thank Bob for bringing this high quality training to the folks here in Minnesota. As I've said before, I've seen both Mike Seeklander and Erik Lund in action at the major 3-gun matches. Both are very good shooters and well known for it. Both are great to be around with and have a wealth of knowledge.

A lot of local 3-gunners always ask me where I've gone for training and where they can go for training. I've gone to a lot of training all over the nation, as far east as Blackwater USA in North Carolina and as far west as Front Sight in Nevada. I've spent a lot of money and resources not just on the training fees, but also travelling and lodging costs. Well here's one to be held right here in our own back yard. The instructors are the ones who'll be travelling. Here is your opportunity to attend a high quality training, specifically on 3-Gun shooting, without all the travelling and lodging hassles.

Thanks to Villy, Dave and others for their comments and support of this training, and the trainers involved. I know ammo is a big issue and wanted to share this link http://ammoman.com/223-pmc-bronze-rifle ... n-fmj-223a. Yes, I do realize the $.60 a round is not cheap, but it's quality stuff and they have it in stock now

.223 REMINGTON PMC BRONZE RIFLE 55 GRAIN
FULL METAL JACKET - BOAT TAIL AMMO
20 Rounds per Box, 50 Boxes Per Case
$ 599 for a 1,000 rds delivered to your door

[IDPA Shooter]

I regret that we needed to cancel this class for lack of enrollment. I appreciate everyone who signed up or assisted, but the numbers just were not there for Mike or Erik to make the trip. Everyone will, of course, receive a prompt 100% refund from Mike. I've already returned the funds to folks who paid me.

The good news is both Mike and Erik are willing to schedule it again next year. I'll work with Ron Westberg, Jomar and others in MN 3 Gun and assure we find a good time, we already have a great place.

I also understand that we have to wait until mid May, but if we get too far into June, well the season is short here and folks want to apply what they learned. Everyone will get lots of notice when we schedule it next year.