Public Safety Training, Disturbing

[ZardozCZ]

http://southmetrotraining.com/Courses/2 ... ctics.html

OK, I know they need training to survive their jobs, nothing wrong with that. What disturbs me is the language. Using the words Revolution Control puts them in the mindset that is dangerous to citizens that may choose to organize a showing of support for our rights at the capitol, for instance. Using these words puts them in the mindset that we are a revolution that needs controlling. They will be in the mindset of physical confrontation even before the gathering begins.

Maybe I read too much into it, but terms like Tax Relief are meant to polarize thought and frames of reference. The frame of reference evoked by Revolution Control does not bode well. This from someone too close to Chicago convention in 68. I was visiting my sister who was a student teacher there at the time. Almost got swept into the ferver by LE and NG that were overly excited and ready to jump into the fray. I was just a naive kid at the time. Boy was that an awakening!

Just thought you might want a glimpse of what's ahead. These are preparations being made.

[bstrawse]

http://southmetrotraining.com/Courses/2013%20Courses/20130610_RevolutionControlTactics.html

OK, I know they need training to survive their jobs, nothing wrong with that. What disturbs me is the language. Using the words Revolution Control puts them in the mindset that is dangerous to citizens that may choose to organize a showing of support for our rights at the capitol, for instance. Using these words puts them in the mindset that we are a revolution that needs controlling. They will be in the mindset of physical confrontation even before the gathering begins.

Maybe I read too much into it, but terms like Tax Relief are meant to polarize thought and frames of reference. The frame of reference evoked by Revolution Control does not bode well. This from someone too close to Chicago convention in 68. I was visiting my sister who was a student teacher there at the time. Almost got swept into the ferver by LE and NG that were overly excited and ready to jump into the fray. I was just a naive kid at the time. Boy was that an awakening!

Just thought you might want a glimpse of what's ahead. These are preparations being made.

I'm not tracking how you went from this company's trade name for their training "revolution control" to the conclusions that you are drawing. Isn't this just a method of use of physical force to deal with on-the-street encounters?

[ZardozCZ]

I'm not tracking how you went from this company's trade name for their training "revolution control" to the conclusions that you are drawing. Isn't this just a method of use of physical force to deal with on-the-street encounters?

Yes, the training is what it is. The framing of the thoughts by using those chosen words carries huge implications that are my concern.

Think of the thoughts and assumptions, the framing if you will, of the term "tax relief". Instantly the forgone conclusion is we are oppressed and burdened by taxes, and any conversation adopts that automatic mindset. It is near impossible to have the "tax relief" mindset see the tax benefits of roads, airports, water, sewer, etc that our taxes bring us, or their necessity.

By the same light, crowd control or more appropriately Riot control is now REVOLUTION control in their minds and frameworks of reference. It is insidiously effective, as it is how our minds work. (read about neuro-linguistic programming for more on this) LE will see a revolution, a bigger threat, when they see a crowd or even riot. The bigger the perceived threat, the more adrenaline comes to play and less rational thought and action occur.

That or I've missed the boat and LE is already gearing up for full scale revolution, and thus the billions of hollow points for DHS and the armored troop carriers for local LE. It's almost like the government is gearing up for a take down of citizens that aren't sheeple. It's a valid concern, I'm thinking.

[VikesFan1]

+1 on the language. There is seriously something wrong with it... Who's in charge of declaring a "Revolution" anyway, the media?? Probably the same folks trying to dis-arm America... Sounds like they're preparing for war. Pretty ridiculous that it's come to this.

[Hoot]

Sounds like a tempest in a teapot to me. What is the context of Hornady's Zombie Max ammunition? They're both just catchy names to make them harder to forget.

Hoot

[Squib Joe]

Um. Revolution has more than one definition. My guess in this context is that he means "a sudden, radical, or complete change" as it applies to hand-to-hand defense

[VikesFan1]

Um. Revolution has more than one definition. My guess in this context is that he means "a sudden, radical, or complete change" as it applies to hand-to-hand defense

That's what you thought of when you read revolution?? Seems like quite a leap to me.

[Mn01r6]

Um. Revolution has more than one definition. My guess in this context is that he means "a sudden, radical, or complete change" as it applies to hand-to-hand defense

That's what you thought of when you read revolution?? Seems like quite a leap to me.

Do you really think that this is how they are going to crush your uprising? With hand-to-hand combat techniques from Mixed Martial Arts? That's how they are going to install the new world order you are concerned about? Getting you in side control and doing some ground and pound? Maybe an arm bar to get you to tap out?

"RCT concentrates on both standing and grounded positions including the, "Guard", "Mount" and "Side Control". A fundamental understanding of these positions will allow officers to apply a variety of strikes, neck restraints, joint locks, pins and escapes with the most effective leverage-based techniques possible. The system works in tandem with any current use of force system."

[smurfman]

It appears to be much ado about nothing. The course summary describes use of force/self defense training for the individual officer rather than as a team or group. Unless they are training John Wayne, I highly doubt it has much, if any, application to "revolution" crowd control. I highly suspect there is a punctuation error with a colon misssing from after the word, "Revolution". Properly written it would probably look something like this, "Revolution: Control Tactics for Law Enforcement" and go on to describe and demonstrate the "new" tactic of using an opponent's own actions and momentum against them.

Directing trains of thought due to word choice is a common tactic to get others thinking a certain direction but I doubt it is the case here. The "company" owning the course appears to be owned by the instructor and I would bet against him being an agent provocateur based on his employment and qualifications. If I'm wrong there are a whole 'nother set of problems to be faced which were implemented long, long ago.

[ttousi]

I highly suspect there is a punctuation error with a colon misssing from after the word, "Revolution". Properly written it would probably look something like this, "Revolution: Control Tactics for Law Enforcement" and go on to describe and demonstrate the "new" tactic of using an opponent's own actions and momentum against them.

or Revolutionary (i.e. new) Control Tactics for Law Enforcement

[Squib Joe]

This worries me too. Are they trying to incite civil unrest with smartphones?

[Evad]

This worries me too. Are they trying to incite civil unrest with smartphones?

It's painfully obvious. The phone you carry must denote the side you are on. I believe they carried "north" and "south" cell phones during the civil war.

[Collector1337420]

And people wonder why there is distrust of "law enforcement."

[smurfman]

[i]"RCT concentrates on both standing and grounded positions including, "Guard", "Mount" and "Side Control".

I didn't spot it initially but I guess I would have a concern having the police taught the "Mount" position. For some reason "Deliverance" comes to mind. Just sayin'.

[XDM45]

Words have power. +1,000,000 on that.

Go into Southside Chicago and yell at the top of your lungs "Any n-rs wanna fight" and see what happens.
Go into a gun club, forum, meeting and talk about "Assault Weapons", call a magazine a "clip", or use "gun safety" to mean "gun control", etc.

Why did the AGers change "gun control" to "gun safety"? To re-shape it in the mind pf people, to be less threatening. As gun owners, we're all for true gun safety, we all agree on that, but when they misappropriate that phrase and put their own meaning on it, most people will hear us talking about gun safety as well as the AGers talking about gun safety and they will think we both mean the same thing. That we both agree, which we do not. It's a devilish tactic because the Sheeple don't think. It's subversive. There's a whole psychological aspect to it as well.

Someone isn't "Crippled" anymore. Now they are "Physically Disabled", and tons of other politically correct terms like that.

When you interview for a job, dress like the other person, similar, but also use similar mannerisms, and similar words, phrases, gestures, because people like people similar to themselves. It's part of how to hack the interview process.

So all of the above and so much more I didn't even get into, is why that YES, words DO have power.