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Re: It's back! Gun Control Bill To Be reintroduced

Postby Thunder71 on Tue May 14, 2013 8:20 pm

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Thunder71 wrote:I don't understand why we don't have pro gun (rights) items on the agenda when we have the opportunity. I realize it's unlikely to go anywhere this year, but I feel we are on the defense more than we're on the offence.

You mean like in 2012, when Governor Crazy Eyes vetoed "stand your ground" after it passed both houses of the legislature (with bi-partisan support)?


Yes, exactly like that... still ticks me off that Dayton vetoed it, throw it in front of him again, and again until he gets the point. His excuse was BS, no cop or sheriff I know had an issue with the bill, and weren't asked.
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Re: It's back! Gun Control Bill To Be reintroduced

Postby MaryB on Tue May 14, 2013 11:21 pm

We can no longer give anything, not with the way our government is headed. The day will come when we will need all the weapons we can get our hands on. Yes some will say we will never fight but I know many who would.
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Re: It's back! Gun Control Bill To Be reintroduced

Postby Heffay on Wed May 15, 2013 6:55 am

MaryB wrote:We can no longer give anything, not with the way our government is headed. The day will come when we will need all the weapons we can get our hands on. Yes some will say we will never fight but I know many who would.


Really makes you think.
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Re: It's back! Gun Control Bill To Be reintroduced

Postby Lights on Wed May 15, 2013 8:38 am

Thunder71 wrote:
ex-LT wrote:
Thunder71 wrote:I don't understand why we don't have pro gun (rights) items on the agenda when we have the opportunity. I realize it's unlikely to go anywhere this year, but I feel we are on the defense more than we're on the offence.

You mean like in 2012, when Governor Crazy Eyes vetoed "stand your ground" after it passed both houses of the legislature (with bi-partisan support)?


Yes, exactly like that... still ticks me off that Dayton vetoed it, throw it in front of him again, and again until he gets the point. His excuse was BS, no cop or sheriff I know had an issue with the bill, and weren't asked.



+1 on the Stand your ground law. Keep at it until it is signed into law.
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Re: It's back! Gun Control Bill To Be reintroduced

Postby stoneboat on Wed May 15, 2013 9:02 am

It seems to me that the dems know they are in charge and can do what they want without regard for Freedom. I'd be surprised if they wouldn't have brought gun control back up. After listening to them talk before the big vote on Monday; more than a few Democrat Senators said "this maybe be against what most of the people in my district want but I'm voting green".

They are on the road to fascism. They might loose the House this next election cycle, we'll have a dead locked legislature. The Dems will run against a do nothing congress and they'll back to tax and spend in four years. This seems like what the Democrats have been doing the last few elections and the Republicans just can't compete with what they are doing now.

Don't fool yourselves into thinking stand your ground is coming anytime soon.
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Re: It's back! Gun Control Bill To Be reintroduced

Postby Heffay on Wed May 15, 2013 9:04 am

stoneboat wrote: more than a few Democrat Senators said "this maybe be against what most of the people in my district want but I'm voting green".


Careful what you wish for. If you are suggesting that senators should vote for bills based on what their constituents want, we'd have enhanced background checks right now.
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Re: It's back! Gun Control Bill To Be reintroduced

Postby jshuberg on Wed May 15, 2013 9:38 am

Heffay wrote:Careful what you wish for. If you are suggesting that senators should vote for bills based on what their constituents want, we'd have enhanced background checks right now.

I'm not so sure of this. I'm sure a career politician knows the difference between as BS poll that asks leading or even misrepresented questions from how people would likely react to a concrete piece of legislation. They just don't acknowledge it publicly. Polls often ask highly simplified questions about what a person thinks of a subject, but they rarely ever go into how the legislature intends to achieve that goal. There is a very big difference between the two.

My gut tells me that the background checks polls were worded so poorly that damn near everyone who was asked would give the indication that they would support them. Not to actually take the true pulse of the nation, but to have something to sell in the media in order to try to win public opinion. No one wants to be in the 10% that the rest of the country thinks is plain out stupid, so the purpose of these polls was to change peoples opinion on background checks via peer pressure. Fortunately, enough people saw through it, and yelled from the mountain top that the polls be damned, and that we simply aren't going to allow any unconstitutional restriction of rights, period.

If they actually thought that 90% of the country supported additional background checks, we'd have them.
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Re: It's back! Gun Control Bill To Be reintroduced

Postby Thunder71 on Wed May 15, 2013 9:42 am

Yeah, I disagree as well... we spoke up and showed up in mass numbers. Those that didn't really care one way or the other didn't. Those who had an opinion shared it - apparently there were more who were against it than for it or they would have no problem voting it in if the numbers supported their vote.
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Re: It's back! Gun Control Bill To Be reintroduced

Postby Deputyhiro on Wed May 15, 2013 2:31 pm

The "scaled down version" has passed the senate. Now what? They realize they cant take it all at once. Baby steps, and eventually they get exactly what they want.
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Re: It's back! Gun Control Bill To Be reintroduced

Postby Heffay on Wed May 15, 2013 2:37 pm

Deputyhiro wrote:The "scaled down version" has passed the senate. Now what? They realize they cant take it all at once. Baby steps, and eventually they get exactly what they want.


Now what? They claim victory at "getting something done" so a few of their constituents can have a warm fuzzy feeling, and we go on with our lives knowing we haven't lost a single step in this battle.
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Re: It's back! Gun Control Bill To Be reintroduced

Postby jshuberg on Wed May 15, 2013 3:46 pm

These people picked a fight with us. They tried to use dishonesty and every dirty trick in the book to beat us. We won. Why on earth should we allow them to be able to claim even a fake victory?

I don't want to give them the chance to save face. I want them to wallow in defeat. I want this to destroy their careers. I want Latz and Paymar thrown out of office, broke, unemployed, dirty and disheveled, living under a bridge and eating out of garbage cans. This is the proper and deserved outcome of a representative attempting to deprive the People of their constitutionally protected, fundamental human rights. This should have been a life ruining choice for them.

If they were to tack stand your ground, or the decriminalization of suppressors to the thing, then I'd be for it. Until then, we shouldn't give the tyrants a victory on anything having to do with guns of any sort.
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Re: It's back! Gun Control Bill To Be reintroduced

Postby Heffay on Wed May 15, 2013 3:55 pm

jshuberg wrote:Why on earth should we allow them to be able to claim even a fake victory?


To get something we want?

What you are doing is cutting off the nose to spite the face. Grandstanding. Being an operator. However, if you can somehow get Latz and Paymar kicked out of office and lose everything they have, I'd love to read more about it! How do you plan on making that happen?
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Re: It's back! Gun Control Bill To Be reintroduced

Postby jshuberg on Wed May 15, 2013 4:18 pm

I don't know if it's possible. They have pretty solid majorities in their elections. I'd love to see them made an example of to anyone else who entertains the idea of stomping on the bill of rights. But the truth is that unless they do something that pisses off their immediate constituents, or get themselves into some kind of embarrassing scandal, they're probably going to be around for awhile. My desire to see them suffer the proper and deserved consequences for trying to deprive the People of their rights doesn't mean it's actually plausible. It also doesn't mean we should go to the opposite extreme, and act as if nothing happened, and pretend that we're all good friends and hand them a reason to look good without getting something we want in return.
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Re: It's back! Gun Control Bill To Be reintroduced

Postby xd ED on Wed May 15, 2013 4:24 pm

Heffay wrote:
jshuberg wrote:Why on earth should we allow them to be able to claim even a fake victory?


To get something we want?

What you are doing is cutting off the nose to spite the face. Grandstanding. Being an operator. However, if you can somehow get Latz and Paymar kicked out of office and lose everything they have, I'd love to read more about it! How do you plan on making that happen?



How does that work?

We roll over on this one for them now, and next year say: "Hey. remember us: those guys that 'compromised' for you last year... So can we have SYG now?"
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Re: It's back! Gun Control Bill To Be reintroduced

Postby hkrada on Wed May 15, 2013 4:38 pm

There are more and more people like this every day..

" To get something we want?

What you are doing is cutting off the nose to spite the face. Grandstanding. Being an operator. However, if you can somehow get Latz and Paymar kicked out of office and lose everything they have, I'd love to read more about it! How do you plan on making that happen?".



They claim to support things yet roll over the first chance they get. Anyone who believes in the Second Amendment for example would be outraged that this bill would even be brought up and would be working to force feed the Constitution down anyone's throat that disagreed. But we live in a world surrounded by weak hearted individuals that say they are on our side.
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