The man speaks his truth about Glocks and I happen to agree

View · by **XDM45** on Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:49 pm

Evad wrote:Darn that quality manufacturing making them feel the same.

They are McGuns? Would you like a 30 round mag with that, sir?

View · by **MNGunGuy** on Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:19 pm

XDM45 wrote:Not quite. Do I think the XD series is the best thing since sliced bread or the right gun for everyone? Nah. I know what I like, what works for me, but I know it doesn't work for everyone. The XD/XDM/XDS/etc isn't the only gun out there and no one tool does everything.

Who he's talking about are the people that suck hard on the d-k of Glock. "What? You need a pizza cutter? Well, a Glock can do that! You need a new car? Well, get a Glock!" etc....and that isn't me.

The fact of the matter is this, you have very little experience with other handguns and limited experience with your current gun yet preach XDM/S and scold Glock. This is the exact audience the person who made the video is talking about.

View · by **Erud** on Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:43 pm

XDM45 wrote:
grousemaster wrote:XD's are cheaper, and more easily replaceable, same with an M&P.....interesting he relies on a Glock to protect his life on a daily basis. I must ask XDm45, what is your experience with the Glock line of pistols? I can assume you've run a course or two with one? OR at the very minimum fired a couple?

The idea that a Kia is a superior vehicle to a Honda Civic is laughable....even from a clown like this. It's the cherry on top!

I've fired quite a few Glocks. I like the snap they have in them when they fire, but the overall feel of the gun turns me off. You know how they say first impressions matter and you can't ever get a second one? I place a lot of importance on that when it comes to guns. If I hold a gun for the first time and it doesn't feel right, I don't care how good of quality it is, how it fires, chances are, it's not a good gun for me and I'm not a good owner for it. Glocks and I are like that. We're just no good for each other. Technically, mechanically, they may be the best dang gun ever made, but if it doesn't fit like a glove, forget it. Guns are like that for me, so are musical instruments, jewelry, and a few other things as well. I don't want to have to learn to like it or to tolerate it, I want it to be right for each other from the start.

When I picked out my XDm, I held several of them before finding the one I liked. For something as personal as a gun, musical instrument, jeweler, etc, I place more importance on feel and vibe than I do on quality. Of course quality and workmanship matter too and are very important, but what good is a high-quality something you won't use or feel right with?

Technically, I think Glocks are great guns..... just not great guns for me. they are built well, LEOs all over use them, simple, easy to tear down, re-assemble, get parts for, etc....all great things.... but that vibe, that feel, it's just not there for me with Glocks. If someone can show me a Glock I'll like, I'll buy it. It just hasn't ever happened yet, and I've held and fired quite a few of them. They just aren't my bag.

Don't worry about it, most of us had some goofy ideas about guns when we were just getting started out in shooting! I guess the main difference is that most of us didn't feel the need to tell every living soul we could find about all of them...

View · by **mrp** on Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:47 pm

grousemaster wrote:XDM45 said the XDM's felt different from gun to gun....unless I'm mistaken

It could be his initial grip. Kinda like...

http://www.theforumsite.com/forum.php?p=4552305

View · by **Evad** on Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:07 pm

XDM45 wrote:
Evad wrote:Darn that quality manufacturing making them feel the same.

They are McGuns? Would you like a 30 round mag with that, sir?

Hell yea! I'll take a few more

View · by **sawgrass** on Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:21 pm

Evad wrote:
XDM45 wrote:
Evad wrote:Darn that quality manufacturing making them feel the same.

They are McGuns? Would you like a 30 round mag with that, sir?

Hell yea! I'll take a few more

Me too! I love Glocks, and Berettas, and old blued S&W's, and semi-custom/custom 1911's, and Winchester 67's, and Browning A5's, and fancy .22's, and .... :lol:

Funny that someone who doesn't really like Glocks would start a thread about them. :roll:

View · by **FJ540** on Sun Jun 23, 2013 1:10 am

I'd love to do some blind testing of your gun whispering abilities man. If you can ID a production gun by SN from merely holding it by the grip - that's boardwalk riches talent... Or maybe Vegas? You could be part of Penn and Teller's act. Getting Penn to not call BS would hold a lot of street cred.

View · by **shooter115** on Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:37 am

Wow....Just when I thought XDm45 couldn't get more delusional, BAM!!....there it is. Please spare us all the nonsense and stop pretendind to know anything about firearms. This one was over the top even for you.

View · by **Hmac** on Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:46 am

XDM45 wrote:I've fired quite a few Glocks. I like the snap they have in them when they fire, but the overall feel of the gun turns me off. You know how they say first impressions matter and you can't ever get a second one? I place a lot of importance on that when it comes to guns. If I hold a gun for the first time and it doesn't feel right, I don't care how good of quality it is, how it fires, chances are, it's not a good gun for me and I'm not a good owner for it. Glocks and I are like that. We're just no good for each other. Technically, mechanically, they may be the best dang gun ever made, but if it doesn't fit like a glove, forget it. Guns are like that for me, so are musical instruments, jewelry, and a few other things as well. I don't want to have to learn to like it or to tolerate it, I want it to be right for each other from the start.

For a guy who bought his first pistol 18 months ago, you've really acquired a high level of expertise. Bravo.

View · by **goalie** on Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:06 am

Hmac wrote:
For a guy who bought his first pistol 18 months ago, you've really acquired a high level of expertise. Bravo.

He really has less than 2 years of experience with a handgun? That makes some things a LOT clearer to me.

:roll:

View · by **DoxaPar** on Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:08 am

Rarely I'd we like or dislike something merely on the object itself. A lot more goes into it than the handgun itself.

Who shoots it? Do you like them? What was your first experience with it? Do you have a distaste for their marking (I read an article from a guy who was turned off by Glock's "Perfection" marketing)? Etc.

I usually tell my children not to argue over "preferences". ;-)

View · by **Hmac** on Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:14 am

goalie wrote:
He really has less than 2 years of experience with a handgun? That makes some things a LOT clearer to me.

by XDM45 on Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:39 am

Hello all,

I'm a new gun owner having just purchased two firearms, a Ruger Mark III 2245 Standard (not the more commonly seen bull nose. Mine looks similar to a Luger P08) and a Springfield XDM 45 with a 4.5" barrel in dual tone coloring. Both weapons are an absolute joy to work with and a perfect fit for me.

View · by **goalie** on Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:19 am

DoxaPar wrote:Rarely I'd we like or dislike something merely on the object itself. A lot more goes into it than the handgun itself.

Who shoots it? Do you like them? What was your first experience with it? Do you have a distaste for their marking (I read an article from a guy who was turned off by Glock's "Perfection" marketing)? Etc.

I usually tell my children not to argue over "preferences".

Yeah. I remember in the early 90's the whole Glock thing was pretty new, and being a rifle-guy, I was pretty new to handguns. On the advice of a friend who carried and shot a lot, I ended up with a 2nd Gen G17 and took some classes. Yeah, it's a brick. Yeah, it has no soul. Yeah, it's ugly.

It also went through Massad Ayoob's advanced stressfire class without one single malfunction. That's 2 thousand rounds in two days. Then it did a few other classes. Again, no issues. Over the last 20 years, the only issue I ever had with it was when I tried some metal magazines for a friend to see if they worked or not (he assumed my gun, which hadn't had a hiccup in over 10k rounds would be a good test medium) and the metal magazine sheared off the mag release, which is plastic. 2 minute fix to replace.

You can say what you want about the Glock, but they were doing it a decade before everyone else. They are a tool.

In the end, a good carpenter has a preference for what tools he likes, but the tools are not what dictates the quality of his work. Skill and experience are.

View · by **Hmac** on Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:29 am

goalie wrote:
In the end, a good carpenter has a preference for what tools he likes, but the tools are not what dictates the quality of his work. Skill and experience are.

Exactly. I don't particularly care for Glocks (even setting aside their recent quality issue with BTF problems), but there's no denying their functionality and their reliability, and their huge impact on the firearms market. I readily acknowledge that they're a good firearm and any competent shooter can make them function and function well.

View · by **XDM45** on Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:26 am

MNGunGuy wrote:
XDM45 wrote:Not quite. Do I think the XD series is the best thing since sliced bread or the right gun for everyone? Nah. I know what I like, what works for me, but I know it doesn't work for everyone. The XD/XDM/XDS/etc isn't the only gun out there and no one tool does everything.

Who he's talking about are the people that suck hard on the d-k of Glock. "What? You need a pizza cutter? Well, a Glock can do that! You need a new car? Well, get a Glock!" etc....and that isn't me.

The fact of the matter is this, you have very little experience with other handguns and limited experience with your current gun yet preach XDM/S and scold Glock. This is the exact audience the person who made the video is talking about.

Well, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it, however we happen to disagree. Believe as you like.