Zimmerman Self-Defense Trial off to Acceptable Start :)

[grousemaster]

That's not a personal attack. That's a stereotype.

A personal attack is something like calling Trayvon "Trayvoon." And it has the added bonus of being incredibly racist.

Racist? How?

[Fearless Leader]

STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS!!!!

[Heffay]

That's not a personal attack. That's a stereotype.

A personal attack is something like calling Trayvon "Trayvoon." And it has the added bonus of being incredibly racist.

Racist? How?

Really? I mean... really?

I refuse to believe you don't understand the mashup and what his implication is. Like I said earlier, he should abandon all pretense and just go with Trayvigger.

[Heffay]

That's not a personal attack. That's a stereotype.

A personal attack is something like calling Trayvon "Trayvoon." And it has the added bonus of being incredibly racist.

I don't know why I'm stepping in this mess.

Have to disagree- Trayvooon is neither a personal attack nor racist. It's a weak attempt at humor like 'Obummer', or 'George Hitler Walker Bush'. If you wish to revise and extend your argument to sway me, then by all means do so.

Obummer = Obama and Bummer.

What word do you think "Trayvoon" is being mashed up with? Just hazard a guess. Go for it. Let's see how disingenuous you can be.

[jgalt]

That's not a personal attack. That's a stereotype.

A personal attack is something like calling Trayvon "Trayvoon." And it has the added bonus of being incredibly racist.

Racist? How?

I don't doubt that some people might find "Trayvoon" to be a racist term - is seems vaguely wrong to me, but I can't put my finger on why. Probably Trayvon + coon? Or is there something else you were thinking of...

The bigger problem is the casual tossing around of the term "racist" in the first place. I ignore it unless the tosser is willing to explain why the person or the thing in question is racist, then I can agree or disagree with their assessment and learn from it. There are a lot of things that some people find to be racist that just aren't - the best example I can think of off the top of my head is the word "niggardly" (meaning 'not generous' or 'stingy').

I have no problem purposefully offending someone when it is called for, but I prefer to do it in a more creative way than by hurling racial epithets at that person. It is a sign of a low mind...

Aside #1 - In searching to determine why I might think "Trayvoon" is racist, I ran across this site - The Racial Slur Database. You know, for those times when you just can't figure out the right way to inappropriately offend someone...

Aside #2 - My favorite movie example of a racist term being used innocently by someone who has no idea it is...

[MasonK]

That's not a personal attack. That's a stereotype.

A personal attack is something like calling Trayvon "Trayvoon." And it has the added bonus of being incredibly racist.

I don't know why I'm stepping in this mess.

Have to disagree- Trayvooon is neither a personal attack nor racist. It's a weak attempt at humor like 'Obummer', or 'George Hitler Walker Bush'. If you wish to revise and extend your argument to sway me, then by all means do so.

Obummer = Obama and Bummer.

What word do you think "Trayvoon" is being mashed up with? Just hazard a guess. Go for it. Let's see how disingenuous you can be.

I read it as Trayvon and Goon, and I still don't see it as racist- just dumb. You still haven't changed my mind by furthering your attempt to put me on the defensive with rhetoric and not by founding your argument by explaining your opinion.

I will respect your opinion when you flesh it out, not when you call me disingenuous and use your usual tactic of spinning someone's words back under the guise of stupidity.

[tman]

"Coon."

[selurcspi]

"Coon."

Isn't that one of those cute masked critters that litter the roads around here?

[BigBlue]

That's not a personal attack. That's a stereotype.

A personal attack is something like calling Trayvon "Trayvoon." And it has the added bonus of being incredibly racist.

Wow. People looking for something to call 'bad' can always find it, can't they? Altering the spelling of a name or term in an Internet site is typically done when you want to keep your content out of a search engine's results on the primary term. Adding an 'o' helps do this without really affecting the readability of those viewing it. No, it isn't perfect, but yes, it does lower the ranking of the result. If you want to have a discussion but don't want to be front and center in Google results this helps. It is definitely not the same as subbing 'Obummer' for the other name. That is intentional. And totally appropriate, because it makes a point.

BB

[jshuberg]

Some people like to jump to the conclusion of racism, or homophobia, etc. It's a knee jerk reaction for some with a modern liberal sense of "tolerance". The whole nonsense that the Zimmerman case was based in racism is glaring evidence of this. Both an FBI probe, and now the Martin family have stated publicly that the case has nothing to do with racism. This after the witness for the prosecution stated Martin referred to Zimmerman as a "cracker". Also after many people here on this forum initially decried racism as being at the core of the case, incorrectly I might add.

There are quite a few of us who see others jump to the conclusion of racism at every turn, and find it disgusting. People who believe that an unsubstantiated accusation of racism is as every bit as ugly and disgusting as actual racism is. Some of these people are provocateurs, and like to poke the bear and see people get all worked up. They might even use slightly racially tinged slurs or statements to watch people fly off the handle, or to derail a thread.

Heffay, I believe you've been trolled. And you've reacted perfectly to it. In fact, you've completely lived up to the stereotype of the "white liberal" by your reactions. I'm not saying its necessarily a bad thing, but it's somewhat amusing and predictable by those who don't suffer from your chosen point of view.

As entertaining as it is watching you derail thread after thread, presuming to correct all of us Neanderthals on issues of racism, homophobia, what's best for the "gun community" etc. at some point it really gets old, and the majority of us would simply prefer to intelligently discuss the topic at hand.

In other words, please drop it. If someone here is a racist or homophobe or whatever, you're Internet scoldings aren't going to change any hearts or minds. All you're accomplishing is the feeding of the trolls, the derailing of the thread, and perhaps a feeling of superiority in that you are singularly tasked with chastising all the rest of us children when we stray from your sense of morality.

Please man, show some restraint. Don't take the bait. Let the thread stay on topic as long as possible. The forum is not a better place for your morality policing. Thanks.

[MasonK]

"Coon."

Thank you for clarifying where someone else would not.

I haven't heard that term used in about 20 years! I honestly didn't even consider that one.

//Still don't see it as racist, just like I don't consider Crazy Ass Cracker to be racist.

[ijosef]

You just don't seem to grasp how much evidence it takes to prove something beyond a "reasonable doubt". O.J. walks, and Casey Anthony walks in Florida...why? Not enough evidence to erase all doubt.

I think that's a point far too often lost on a lot of people. Beyond a reasonable doubt means exactly that, and the burden of proof is on the prosecution. I think Zimmerman made a series of very poor decisions and wound up in a situation that could easily have been avoided. Unfortunately the events of that night ended in someone's death. However, at this point in the trial, I don't believe the prosecution has met the requirements for a conviction. Only two people really know what happened that night, and one of them is dead.

A juror needs to understand that it doesn't matter if they *think* the defendant is guilty or is a rotten person. What matters is if the prosecution has presented enough evidence (that the defense cannot adequately refute/discredit) to prove the defendant is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If you believe the defendant is more than likely guilty, but you still have legitimate doubts about it, you shouldn't vote to convict. Unfortunately you never know what a jury is going to do, and many of them go off emotion or their own gut instinct.

Right now, I don't believe the prosecution has enough evidence to prove their case of 2nd degree murder. I believe George Zimmerman went full retard on the night in question, but that's not what this case is about.

[Jeff Bergquist]

That's not a personal attack. That's a stereotype.

A personal attack is something like calling Trayvon "Trayvoon." And it has the added bonus of being incredibly racist.

I don't know why I'm stepping in this mess.

Have to disagree- Trayvooon is neither a personal attack nor racist. It's a weak attempt at humor like 'Obummer', or 'George Hitler Walker Bush'. If you wish to revise and extend your argument to sway me, then by all means do so.

Obummer = Obama and Bummer.

What word do you think "Trayvoon" is being mashed up with? Just hazard a guess. Go for it. Let's see how disingenuous you can be.

If you look over his posts, He spells Trayvon all sorts of ways, such as Traveon, etc. It's possible it could just be an honest mistake.

[gunsmith]

If NBC could get away with it THIS would be their lead graphic every time The Tray-baby story came up:
Idint Dat Widdle TwayBaby so Cute.



http://www.gzvnbc.com/

Here's a link to a website run by Zimmy's lawyers about their suit against NBC.

About GZvNBC.com

on 06 December 2012. Posted in Press Releases

This GZvNBC.com website is operated on behalf of George Zimmerman by the O’Mara Law Group and The Beasley Firm, LLC. The purpose of the website is to provide news and public documents related to Mr. Zimmerman’s complaint against NBC. Like the GZLegalCase.com website, this site necessary to counter the avalanche of negative publicity -- and as the George Zimmerman v. NBCUniversal Media, LLC. complaint alleges –- including deceptive and exploitative journalism that has defamed the character of George Zimmerman.

This GZvNBC.com website will share many of the same goals outlined in the article entitled “Why Social Media for George Zimmerman” on the GZLegalCase.com website, especially the goal of Disputing Misinformation. However, in the case of the GZvNBC.com website, we intend on disputing misinformation with the same publicity and vigor that it was originally spread by NBC.

http://www.gzlegalcase.com/
Official website for GZ lawsuit sponsored by Nerdy-Geek Lawyer

http://www.gzdefensefund.com/donate/

$10 donations, look at these comments:

Donations from the GZDefenseFund.com website have exceeded $46,000 since we announced the fund was out of money on May 29. Individual donations have ranged from $5.00 to $2,000.00. Many contributors have left comments with their donations.

A $10.00 donation from Dallas, Texas:
“Everyone deserves a fair trial.”

A $40.00 donation from Bell View, FL:
“I hope this little money helps. I don’t know if you are right or wrong, but you do deserve a fair trial. I can only hope if I were thrown to the wolves someone would come help me out.”

A $10.00 donation from New Orleans, LA
“As a law student, I believe in the right to a fair trial as fundamental to our justice system. I would love to do anything I can to help ensure Mr. Zimmerman receives the fair trial he deserves.”

A $10.00 donation from The Villages, FL
“I am concerned that a jury may be afraid to find you innocent.”

A $10.00 donation from North Hills, CA
“Sorry for jumping to conclusions earlier on without waiting to hear your side of the story. I hope you get a fair trial. God bless.”

A $10.00 donation from Kansas City, MO
“Please use this money to help even the playing field.”

[gunsmith]

I like the plain spoken truth here, and I always root for the underdog and I like Zimmerman's chances. I am also impressed with the Nerdy-Geek lawyer. He's not capable of 'charming' a jury...HE'S A NERD and hopefully he will be appealing to the juror's highest instincts. I guess they will deliberate less than a full day and acquit 100%. I don't know if they have the option of manslaugher, I hope they don't ...that would be an easy 'split the difference' way out.

from the GZ website...this is 'The High Road'

Why People Give
Why Do People Give to the the Zimmerman Legal Defense Fund Trust?

Many people who have donated or who have sent letters of support take the time to explain why they support George. Here are some of the main reasons people give:
Many people donate because they think that George shot Trayvon Martin legally in self-defense, and they recognize the need for George to have a fair trial.
Some people who donate believe that George Zimmerman was a victim of a coordinated public-relations attack designed to cast him as a racist murderer, which he is not.
Some people think that George was egregiously misrepresented by the media, and in particular by an audio tape edited by NBC in a way that made George appear racist, when he is not.
Some people think that the State has over-reached with the 2nd Degree Murder charge, and they feel that charges were only filed against George Zimmerman because of political pressures, and they think that if it can happen to George, it could happen to anyone.
Some people are afraid that George Zimmerman cannot get a fair trial because they know that the State can spend millions of tax-payer dollars on his prosecution while George is left to depend on the generosity of individuals.

If you agree with one or more of the statements above, we would like you to consider donating to the fund. The defense team has an unwavering commitment to proving George’s innocence, and we will provide him with the most zealous advocacy possible, no matter what. But we sure could use your help. We have been amazed by the number of people who have donated money and shown their support. In the next several months, we will be facing some of the biggest challenges this case has to offer, and now is the time we could use your help most of all.