Obama, 35yr ago TM "could have been me"

[Heffay]

This is the part that made me laugh the most:

Seriously, it's no big deal, I can ignore Heffay all day long, but if you don't bark back when someone crosses the line to a personal attack, you wind up like George Bush and that's how we got Obama with a super-majority.

What about the rest of you, MGT? Which part of his post made you laugh?

[Ron Burgundy]

B) I've evolved this thread into a more cerebral one "Lessons Learned from Zimmerman Trial...off to a good start.

^^^^^lolz

[Evad]

Banning him wouldn't be 'American'

I disagree. Banning from message boards likely originated right here in America. I'm not advocating banning him, just saying it would be plenty American to ban.

[xd ED]

To me, this is one of the few times the President spoke at length that he said drove me crazy. I didn't hear an agenda today, and I listened to what he said. He asked us to try and understand that Blacks in America see the shooting and the trial through a different experience than do non-Blacks. I got that.

I now understand the "racial" part of this sad experience is a reminder that Blacks are profiled by Whites because we think they are dangerous -- women clutch their purses tighter, pedestrians give them the "wary eye" and cross the street, drivers lock their doors and so on. The President's message explained the race factor of this Zimmerman-Martin mess to me, and it made sense. Blacks' reaction to this doesn't have to be legal, or responsible, or rational; profiling is what it is and I can see how it hurts Blacks and affects how they view life and justice in America. but now I think I understand it much better.

I also think his public, honest and sincere validation of the issue of profiling helped American Blacks begin to get over this mess.

While he ran in 2008 to bring people together and to heal us, this is the first instance where I have seen him demonstrate any of that it to We The People.

Nobody profiles young black men more than other black people.
Nobody injures/ kills young black men more than young black men.
As far as Obama's attempts to explain and unite... please...
The correct political elite have long acknowledged this when they've been caught off guard.

“There is nothing more painful for me at this stage in my life, than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery—and then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”

Jesse Jackson

The realities are that, you know, as a black man, you know, Barack can get shot going to the gas station, you know."

Michelle Obama

In a different vein

Bill Cosby frequently takes a more direct, intentional, and head on approach to the issue.

While his thoughts and writing are far too prolific to be captured here,

the following text sums up his feelings rather succinctly:

Mr. Cosby at the time was speaking to a crowd of students and was asked about his opinion on the bailout in America, here is what Mr. Cosby said:

“They’re standing on the corner and they can’t speak English.
I can’t even talk the way these people talk:
Why you ain’t,
Where you is,
What he drive,
Where he stay,
Where he work,
Who you be…
And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk.
And then I heard the father talk.
Everybody knows it’s important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can’t be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth.
In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living.

People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an Education, and now we’ve got these knuckleheads walking around.
The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal.
These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids.
$500 sneakers for what?
And they won’t spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics.

I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit.
Where were you when he was 2?
Where were you when he was 12?
Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn’t know that he had a pistol?
And where is the father? Or who is his father?
People putting their clothes on backward:
Isn’t that a sign of something gone wrong?
People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn’t that a sign of something?

Isn’t it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of needles [piercing] going through her body?
What part of Africa did this come from??
We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don’t know a thing about Africa …..

I say this all of the time. It would be like white people saying they are European-American. That is totally stupid.
I was born here, and so were my parents and grand parents and, very likely my great grandparents. I don’t have any connection to Africa, no more than white Americans have to Germany , Scotland , England , Ireland , or the Netherlands . The same applies to 99 percent of all the black Americans as regards to Africa . So stop, already! ! !
With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap ……… And all of them are in jail.

Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person’s problem.
We have got to take the neighborhood back.
People used to be ashamed. Today a woman has eight children with eight different ‘husbands’ — or men or whatever you call them now.
We have millionaire football players who cannot read.
We have million-dollar basketball players who can’t write two paragraphs. We, as black folks have to do a better job.
Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us.
We have to start holding each other to a higher standard..
We cannot blame the white people any longer.’

~Dr.. William Henry ‘Bill’ Cosby, Jr., Ed..D.”

[gunsmith]

Banning him wouldn't be 'American'

I disagree. Banning from message boards likely originated right here in America. I'm not advocating banning him, just saying it would be plenty American to ban.

Actually, I think "Banning" would be "Canadian" One of my favorite conservatives Mark Steyn (a frequent fill in for Rush Limbaugh) (a Canadian with and Australian accent) has had his writings under fire by the Canadian government:

In 2007, a complaint was filed with the Ontario Human Rights Commission related to an article "The Future Belongs to Islam",[32] written by Mark Steyn, published in Maclean's magazine. The complainants alleged that the article and the refusal of Maclean's to provide space for a rebuttal violated their human rights. The complainants also claimed that the article was one of twenty-two (22) Maclean's articles, many written by Steyn, about Muslims.[33] Further complaints were filed with the Canadian Human Rights Commission and the British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Steyn ... _complaint

[gunsmith]

“There is nothing more painful for me at this stage in my life, than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery—and then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”
Jesse Jackson

I loved the way Fox hired Juan Williams after NPR fired him for admiting he mentally 'profiled' Muslims when he boarded a plane. He's make 3x as much money with a much bigger audience.

JUAN WILLIAMS: I Was Fired for Telling the Truth

By Juan Williams
Published October 21, 2010
FoxNews.com

Yesterday NPR fired me for telling the truth. The truth is that I worry when I am getting on an airplane and see people dressed in garb that identifies them first and foremost as Muslims.

This is not a bigoted statement. It is a statement of my feelings, my fears after the terrorist attacks of 9/11 by radical Muslims. In a debate with Bill O’Reilly I revealed my fears to set up the case for not making rash judgments about people of any faith. I pointed out that the Atlanta Olympic bomber -- as well as Timothy McVeigh and the people who protest against gay rights at military funerals -- are Christians but we journalists don’t identify them by their religion.

=========================================================================================================

Two days later, Ellen Weiss, my boss at NPR called to say I had crossed the line, essentially accusing me of bigotry. She took the admission of my visceral fear of people dressed in Muslim garb at the airport as evidence that I am a bigot. She said there are people who wear Muslim garb to work at NPR and they are offended by my comments. She never suggested that I had discriminated against anyone. Instead she continued to ask me what did I mean and I told her I said what I meant. Then she said she did not sense remorse from me. I said I made an honest statement. She informed me that I had violated NPR’s values for editorial commentary and she was terminating my contract as a news analyst.

I pointed out that I had not made my comments on NPR. She asked if I would have said the same thing on NPR. I said yes, because in keeping with my values I will tell people the truth about feelings and opinions.

I asked why she would fire me without speaking to me face to face and she said there was nothing I could say to change her mind, the decision had been confirmed above her, and there was no point to meeting in person. To say the least this is a chilling assault on free speech. The critical importance of honest journalism and a free flowing, respectful national conversation needs to be had in our country. But it is being buried as collateral damage in a war whose battles include political correctness and ideological orthodoxy.

I say an ideological battle because my comments on "The O’Reilly Factor" are being distorted by the self-righteous ideological, left-wing leadership at NPR


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/10/ ... z2ZbA6rPc6

[goett047]

I'm wondering if we can vote a permanent ban on someone

[Heffay]

I'm wondering if we can vote a permanent ban on someone

I think the mods should work harder on getting rid of sock puppet accounts.

[xd ED]

I'm wondering if we can vote a permanent ban on someone

I agree: BAN those intolerant bastards.

[Dante]

As much as I hate to say it, I support free speech.

That being said, this is not a soapbox on a corner, it is a community and even though it is a public forum, I see no reason why we can't police ourselves.

I for one am also sick of many of these posters hate-filled posts, and I find it sad they don't have the common sense and good taste to stop while they are ahead.

[Dante]

On a related note, it does appear our President does not have a clear understanding of the SYG law, the laws that actually applied to the case or the case itself.

[xd ED]

As much as I hate to say it, I support free speech.

Why would you hate to say that?

On a related note, it does appear our President does not have a clear understanding of the SYG law, the laws that actually applied to the case or the case itself.

I have to believe Obama, Holder, and the officials in dept of Justus understand the facts, laws, and legalities surrounding this case quite thoroughly.
They further understand that the reality of this situation, like human nature itself, does not promote their agenda of gun control, or the concept of a perpetually victimized underclass in need of shepherding from the government.
Thus the narration of an imagined past, and appeals to the emotion of those ignorant of the law and events.

[XDM45]

Regarding the racism card, personally, I'm not racist and don't have a problem with people of any skin color because ultimately, we're all one race - the Human one. It's the criminals and their culture I dislike, which is completely separate from their skin color.

In fact, if you want to talk about race and crime, some of the biggest criminals of all, it's white people... (and I'm white). It seems that even though people were already living on a land, once the white man came and "discovered it", it became their land and not the inhabitants. Most were removed though means of force, such as the Native Americans. Wall Street, Washington D.C, these are pretty much still a "good old boys club" filled with aged white men who commit crimes that will affect this country for decades, if not longer. Just some examples, but you get the idea. Again, It's the criminals and their culture I dislike, which is completely separate from their skin color.

As for the gun community harboring racists/racism, I don't know. Perhaps it does. America has a history with the gun and with slavery, and those roots run deep in our nation's history. No point in denying that.

[CraigJS]

The racism card is used far to much, and used to cover far to many situations. It loses its "edge". Just as dropping the F bomb has become almost common place in conversations today.. I believe that both being used, simply shows a lack of being able to come up with other words to relate a situation. As long as BOTH sides keep fanning the race flames (for WHATEVER reason), there will be more GZ/TM 's . Just as being lazy with our speach will continue to erode our communications to each other. Sad...

[rugersol]

What about the rest of you, MGT? Which part of his post made you laugh?

Otherwise, gun owners and bigotry will continue to be linked in the eyes of the public, and the damage will never be undone.