North Dakota Reciprocity

[Kjohnson]

I live in Minnesota and have had both the Minnesota and ND permit as there is no reciprocity. I live close to the boarder and travel to ND frequently. This week I received a letter from the North Dakota Attorney General stating my ND permit is no longer good. ND has just past legislation requiring you ether live in ND or have a permit from your home state that has reciprocity to carry in ND. In checking with the state of Minnesota, we have no Reciprocity because our states cannot agree on terms. I told them that Wis. Iowa, and SD honor Minnesota. I am told this is because they honor Minnesota but Minnesota does not honer them ether.

Does anyone know if this is being worked on to get reciprocity? I contacted my local congressman but have not received a reply. Somehow Minnesota needs to get this streightened out.

[mrp]

See:

http://www.mnguntalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=45885

[grousemaster]

I inquired with my state senator and congressman.....I'll share their replies

[collateral]

Might be worth getting a Florida permit and cover yourself that way.

[BU1]

Might be worth getting a Florida permit and cover yourself that way.

I believe the wording says you have to :

1. Reside in the state the permit is issued from.

2. Said permit must be issued from a state with reciprocity with ND.



In short you would have to be a Florida resident to have the Fla permit be recognized.

The following is copied from the North Dakota section on Handgunlaw.


"Non-ND residents must have a valid concealed weapon license from their home state, which state must have reciprocity with North Dakota. The home state is determined by the driver’s license."

[xd ED]

Might be worth getting a Florida permit and cover yourself that way.

I believe the wording says you have to :

1. Reside in the state the permit is issued from.

2. Said permit must be issued from a state with reciprocity with ND.



In short you would have to be a Florida resident to have the Fla permit be recognized.

The following is copied from the North Dakota section on Handgunlaw.




"Non-ND residents must have a valid concealed weapon license from their home state, which state must have reciprocity with North Dakota. The home state is determined by the driver’s license."

Yup-

From: The North Dakota Atty Gen webpage:

Eligibility for a Concealed Weapon License

Concealed weapon licenses may be issued only to those individuals who legally may possess a firearm/dangerous weapon. Individuals may be prohibited by state or federal law from owning, possessing, or having a firearm under their control. For more information, contact an attorney in private practice.

To be eligible to apply for a North Dakota Concealed Weapon License, you:
Must legally be able to possess a firearm/dangerous weapon; and
At least age 21 (for a Class 1 License), or at least age 18 (for a Class 2 License); and
Either a US Citizen OR a legal alien residing in the United States; and
Your state of residence is determined by your driver's license. If you are not a ND resident, you must have a valid concealed weapon license from your home state, which state must have reciprocity with ND; and
For a Class 1 license, you cannot have been convicted of any offense involving the use of alcohol (e.g.: MIP, MIC, open container, DUI) within 10 years prior to the date of application or renewal application. If you have an alcohol offense within the past 10 years, you may apply only for a Class 2 license.

Other websites indicate this changed 01 Aug of this year.
Emphasis mine

[rthib]

I see it on the AG page, but do not see that language in the statute?

[xd ED]

I see it on the AG page, but do not see that language in the statute?

From what I read somewhere on NoDak's website, the page with statutes/ codes was updated 1 July. The new law went into effect 1 August....

[.45 Auto]

I believe the wording says you have to :

1. Reside in the state the permit is issued from.

2. Said permit must be issued from a state with reciprocity with ND.

But the way I read it, that is their criteria for being issued a non-resident ND Carry License. It says nothing about restricting states with which they have reciprocity to resident-only permits (as do Colorado and Michigan).

Mike - in Sherburne County

[xd ED]

I believe the wording says you have to :

1. Reside in the state the permit is issued from.

2. Said permit must be issued from a state with reciprocity with ND.

But the way I read it, that is their criteria for being issued a non-resident ND Carry License. It says nothing about restricting states with which they have reciprocity to resident-only permits (as do Colorado and Michigan).

Mike - in Sherburne County

A- I am not intimately familiar with Mich laws, but as I understand it, CO is a may issue state, and if you're not a res, or own property in the state you likely won't get a permit.
B- A unique and interesting line from NoDak about why their permits aren't recognized.

Minnesota Will not provide reason.

C - I'm missing your point

[jgalt]

I believe the wording says you have to :

1. Reside in the state the permit is issued from.

2. Said permit must be issued from a state with reciprocity with ND.

But the way I read it, that is their criteria for being issued a non-resident ND Carry License. It says nothing about restricting states with which they have reciprocity to resident-only permits (as do Colorado and Michigan).

Mike - in Sherburne County

Mike's got it correct.

Effective 8/1/13, ND will no longer issue non-resident permits to residents of the following states: CA, CT, HI, IL, MD, MA, MN, NJ, NY, OR & RI. It looks like the law change only affects ND permits issued to residents of these states - it does not look like it affected reciprocity agreements that were already in place so FL, AZ & UT permits (non-resident or resident) should all still be good in ND...

Check out Handgunlaw.us, click on North Dakota (on the map) - at the bottom of page 3 of the pdf that will open you'll see the non-resident permit section. You can then click on the "Here" link in the 1st paragraph to get to ND's reciprocity page, and can click on any state you see there to confirm whether or not that state's permit is good in ND. Again, FL, UT & AZ all are...

[xd ED]

I believe the wording says you have to :

1. Reside in the state the permit is issued from.

2. Said permit must be issued from a state with reciprocity with ND.

But the way I read it, that is their criteria for being issued a non-resident ND Carry License. It says nothing about restricting states with which they have reciprocity to resident-only permits (as do Colorado and Michigan).

Mike - in Sherburne County

Mike's got it correct.

Effective 8/1/13, ND will no longer issue non-resident permits to residents of the following states: CA, CT, HI, IL, MD, MA, MN, NJ, NY, OR & RI. It looks like the law change only affects ND permits issued to residents of these states - it does not look like it affected reciprocity agreements that were already in place so FL, AZ & UT permits (non-resident or resident) should all still be good in ND...

Check out Handgunlaw.us, click on North Dakota (on the map) - at the bottom of page 3 of the pdf that will open you'll see the non-resident permit section. You can then click on the "Here" link in the 1st paragraph to get to ND's reciprocity page, and can click on any state you see there to confirm whether or not that state's permit is good in ND. Again, FL, UT & AZ all are...

Are we then assuming it's legit to carry with only (No NoDak permit) an out of state permit-subject to reciprocity?
If so, we get back to the question of why get / (is there a need for) a NoDak permit if you have the ability to carry due to a permit recognized by reciprocity?

there are two issues- the ability to get a No Dak permit, and the need for that permit ....

Hot weather and cold beer ....

[xd ED]

I believe the wording says you have to :

1. Reside in the state the permit is issued from.

2. Said permit must be issued from a state with reciprocity with ND.

But the way I read it, that is their criteria for being issued a non-resident ND Carry License. It says nothing about restricting states with which they have reciprocity to resident-only permits (as do Colorado and Michigan).

Mike - in Sherburne County

Mike's got it correct.

Effective 8/1/13, ND will no longer issue non-resident permits to residents of the following states: CA, CT, HI, IL, MD, MA, MN, NJ, NY, OR & RI. It looks like the law change only affects ND permits issued to residents of these states - it does not look like it affected reciprocity agreements that were already in place so FL, AZ & UT permits (non-resident or resident) should all still be good in ND...

Check out Handgunlaw.us, click on North Dakota (on the map) - at the bottom of page 3 of the pdf that will open you'll see the non-resident permit section. You can then click on the "Here" link in the 1st paragraph to get to ND's reciprocity page, and can click on any state you see there to confirm whether or not that state's permit is good in ND. Again, FL, UT & AZ all are...

Your referenced link also states:

Non-ND residents must have a valid concealed weapon license from their home state, which state must have reciprocity with North Dakota. The home state is determined by the driver’s license.

[.45 Auto]

Are we then assuming it's legit to carry with only (No NoDak permit) an out of state permit-subject to reciprocity?
If so, we get back to the question of why get / (is there a need for) a NoDak permit if you have the ability to carry due to a permit recognized by reciprocity?

Further thoughts on this question...

I have a Utah permit, even though I can carry in Utah under my Minnesota permit. I have the Utah permit because of the state's that it covers under reciprocity (like ND is) that aren't covered by reciprocity with MN (like ND isn't).

I suppose ND permit might be of benefit for those that can get one.

Mike - in Sherburne County

[xd ED]

Are we then assuming it's legit to carry with only (No NoDak permit) an out of state permit-subject to reciprocity?
If so, we get back to the question of why get / (is there a need for) a NoDak permit if you have the ability to carry due to a permit recognized by reciprocity?

Further thoughts on this question...

I have a Utah permit, even though I can carry in Utah under my Minnesota permit. I have the Utah permit because of the state's that it covers under reciprocity (like ND is) that aren't covered by reciprocity with MN (like ND isn't).

I suppose ND permit might be of benefit for those that can get one.

Mike - in Sherburne County

My question remains: Does one need a ND permit for a non-res to carry in ND, or would my(assuming I had either) FL, or AZ permit make me legit?

They make it clear a MN res can't get an ND permit, but there is also a confusing, and contradictory inference that only a ND permit can be used for caring in ND.

I am composing a letter to the ND Atty Gen for clarification.