Long range affordable rifle caliber?

[Erud]

And we're done with this topic now....

Why?

[grousemaster]

And we're done with this topic now....

OP, Good luck finding something that'll work for you......

You may be....

We finally get a decent discussion going on something GUN RELATED on this forum, sort of refreshing....

[xd ED]

And we're done with this topic now....

OP, Good luck finding something that'll work for you......

You may be....

We finally get a decent discussion going on something GUN RELATED on this forum, sort of refreshing....

^^^This^^^
I'll add informative as well.

[Slayer_MN1]

I agree with Grousemaster, still on the topic of long range calibers as well so it isn't like we drifted off into the abyss

MaryB, Look at the tikka T3 chambered in 7mm-08 for what your looking to do. Very affordable/very accurate factory rifles in an effective and lethal chambering.

[Erud]

I fired a 80-shot 500 yard rifle match just yesterday with my fancy rifle chambered in a 6mm wildcat based off the ol' .243 Winchester case. It shoots the 115 DTAC bullet at 3000 fps and the ballistics will beat any combination possible out of a .308. With 800 points possible, I finished with a 793-36x and placed pretty high, 4th, I think.

The match winner shot an 800-44x using a .308.

So there you have it, case closed!

[Slayer_MN1]

I fired a 80-shot 500 yard rifle match just yesterday with my fancy rifle chambered in a 6mm wildcat based off the ol' .243 Winchester case. It shoots the 115 DTAC bullet at 3000 fps and the ballistics will beat any combination possible out of a .308. With 800 points possible, I finished with a 793-36x and placed pretty high, 4th, I think.

The match winner shot an 800-44x using a .308.

So there you have it, case closed!

Its all about the driver, but you must admit that if you aren't shooting in a match environment with a set range and the ability to take sighters prior to shooting for score it helps to have a flatter shooting more efficient round to help remove a little guess work in the field. helps for me anyway

Also i'd be interested in the specs of your 6mm wildcat, and where/ what type of match you were shooting in? I'm not new to long range shooting but the only "match" I've shot in is a small one that takes place in Princeton throughout the winter months, and I'd like to move on to a few other things as well. I recently aquired a 6mm Super LR that weighs in at about 17lbs w/scope. feel free to PM me if you don't want to jack this thread.

Steve

[Rip Van Winkle]

And we're done with this topic now....

OP, Good luck finding something that'll work for you......

Agreed.

[Erud]

And we're done with this topic now....

OP, Good luck finding something that'll work for you......

Agreed.

Are you agreeing with the being done part, or the finding something that'll work part? If the former, why? As someone mentioned above, it's not like we get a lot of actual "gun talk" on this board....

[Erud]

I fired a 80-shot 500 yard rifle match just yesterday with my fancy rifle chambered in a 6mm wildcat based off the ol' .243 Winchester case. It shoots the 115 DTAC bullet at 3000 fps and the ballistics will beat any combination possible out of a .308. With 800 points possible, I finished with a 793-36x and placed pretty high, 4th, I think.

The match winner shot an 800-44x using a .308.

So there you have it, case closed!

Its all about the driver, but you must admit that if you aren't shooting in a match environment with a set range and the ability to take sighters prior to shooting for score it helps to have a flatter shooting more efficient round to help remove a little guess work in the field. helps for me anyway

Also i'd be interested in the specs of your 6mm wildcat, and where/ what type of match you were shooting in? I'm not new to long range shooting but the only "match" I've shot in is a small one that takes place in Princeton throughout the winter months, and I'd like to move on to a few other things as well. I recently aquired a 6mm Super LR that weighs in at about 17lbs w/scope. feel free to PM me if you don't want to jack this thread.

Steve

Absolutely. Flatter is always better, all else considered, and a good shooter will beat a good round most every time. My wildcat is also a 6SLR, oddly enough. I think it's the greatest cartridge since sliced bread. I've had good luck with it and even won a 1000 yard Regional Championship with it in June. Here's a pic:



I shoot it mainly in NRA Long Range(800-1000 yards) matches. Yesterday was the first time I've used it in a Mid Range(300-600 yards) match and I was very pleased. Both LR and MR matches are fired from prone positions with a sling and shooting coat - no bipods, benches, or other support. Some matches are "Iron Sight" only(like whats on my rifle in the pic) and some are "Any Sight" where a scope can be used if you like. I don't like shooting with a scope and always use irons, I shoot better scores that way. Most MR/LR matches also allow F-Class(scope and bipod or rest) if that's more your thing. This season is just about over, but here's a link anyways:

http://mrra.org/hipower.htm

As far as prone matches, there are 2 days of MR/F-Class down in Red Wing on 9/21-9/22 and 1 day in Eau Claire on 9/28 and then it's all over. Pm me if you want any more info, always looking for new shooters.

Sorry to hijack, but again, not a lot of shooting talk on here anymore, so I may as well talk about stuff I know when the opportunity presents itself.

Or, we can all just go back to the gay marriage and racial violence threads....

[farmerj]

And we're done with this topic now....

OP, Good luck finding something that'll work for you......

Agreed.

Are you agreeing with the being done part, or the finding something that'll work part? If the former, why? As someone mentioned above, it's not like we get a lot of actual "gun talk" on this board....

The arrogant snarkiness is exactly why some competitions i stopped going to.

There's helping someone learn and then there's being an ass about it.

The thread went there.

[Erud]

Agreed.

Are you agreeing with the being done part, or the finding something that'll work part? If the former, why? As someone mentioned above, it's not like we get a lot of actual "gun talk" on this board....

The arrogant snarkiness is exactly why some competitions i stopped going to.

There's helping someone learn and then there's being an ass about it.

The thread went there.

Wow, you are one touchy guy. Also, I believe you decree'd the thread "done" before anyone started talking about competition shooting...

Is it ok if the rest of us keep discussing things?

[yukonjasper]

great topic. Although just an opinion because I'm no expert, but I've used a 30-06 for whitetail and had good luck. There is a viewpoint/possible misconception that the .243 is too lightweight for clean kills. right or wrong, .243 is considered a beginning hunter caliber - I assume because of the relative lack of recoil. I don't know anyone who hunts with a .308, but I have hunted with the same 8 guys/gals for the last 30+ years. They have used the gammut from 7mm to .243 for white tail hunting at less than 300yards with good effect. 93 year old uncle hunted Colorado for 40 years - elk, mulies etc. swore by 30-06 which is why I got mine 30 years ago.

Wish I could type out a bunch of Ballistic Coefficient number, but that isn't my area. Lots of great knowlege here from people who really shoot a ton, so Good luck on your choice.

An update on how you do with pictures would be great.

ERUD - does that shoot bullets or some sort of plasma pulse ...............talk about a race gun. ...........Cool as Hell............

I'll add that plenty of deer have been shot in our group by .243 - its the caliber that (sorry for this since its definitely predjudicial) that peoples kids are given as their first gun and the caliber that a couple of the more petite gals hunt will. They knock them down, so their may a bit of Macho BS at work with the misconception.

[Slayer_MN1]

I think I have an extra Kleenex..

@ Erud, I would definitely be interested in F-open shooting though it'll have to wait until next year.

Here is my 6SLR. Savage RBLP No nut with the recoil lug built in to the bottom of the action (similar to Bat) Broughton 1-8" 5c 28" Barrel. will be getting a glass upgrade to a 10-50x60 SIII In a couple months.



Mine loves 43.5gr of RL-22 under a 105 Berger VLD. Haven't had a chance to take it beyond 300 yet but shoots right inside the 1" mark give or take .2" from a bag and harris bipod.

[grousemaster]

great topic. Although just an opinion because I'm no expert, but I've used a 30-06 for whitetail and had good luck. There is a viewpoint/possible misconception that the .243 is too lightweight for clean kills. right or wrong, .243 is considered a beginning hunter caliber - I assume because of the relative lack of recoil. I don't know anyone who hunts with a .308, but I have hunted with the same 8 guys/gals for the last 30+ years. They have used the gammut from 7mm to .243 for white tail hunting at less than 300yards with good effect. 93 year old uncle hunted Colorado for 40 years - elk, mulies etc. swore by 30-06 which is why I got mine 30 years ago.

Wish I could type out a bunch of Ballistic Coefficient number, but that isn't my area. Lots of great knowlege here from people who really shoot a ton, so Good luck on your choice.

An update on how you do with pictures would be great.

ERUD - does that shoot bullets or some sort of plasma pulse ...............talk about a race gun. ...........Cool as Hell............

I think with the lighter projectiles bullet construction is critical. Twice I've seen bullets fragment upon hitting bone, thus the animal suffered. Once with a .243 and once with a .270. Both were closer range shots on running deer, meaning speed was very high. I think a god bonded bullet could have eliminated these scenarios....the .243 shattered upon hitting a rib and the .270 fragmented upon hitting a shoulder blade. The .243 hit was a nice buck that I never recovered....just found bone fragments and moderate amounts of blood. Shot placement wasn't perfect, but they were ethical shots on moving deer. IMO a heavier caliber would have been more forgiving of the shot placement. I say this knowing full well that the .270 is one of the best deer calibers out there.....but I will not be using old school bullets anymore, regardless of caliber.

Lead to my bias toward a heavier caliber for killing big game though.....

The ,270 bullet that shattered on me was a Federal Power Shok, 130 grain. The .243 round that didn't perform for me was the silver box Winchester super x....don't recall the bullet weight.

[farmerj]

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Wow, you are one touchy guy. Also, I believe you decree'd the thread "done" before anyone started talking about competition shooting...

Is it ok if the rest of us keep discussing things?[/quote]
The exchange between you and slayer.

The OP wants to know what would be a decent medium range rifle for a disabled person limited to a 4Wheeler.

There are several non-magnum rounds in the 6 and 7 mm (.24 to .28 Cal) class that do the job. I'm spent plenty of time in woods tracking deer and not finding them from poor shots with 300 and 338 winmags. Practice at distance and keep a good log of what you are doing. Learn what temps, wind and elevation will do as we'll. But just get something you'll enjoy shooting.

Pulling a " dad will beat up your dad " on ballistics is childish.