Burnsville Pistol Range Practical Pistol Winter League

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Wasn't the idea not to make it faster, but to allow people to leave earlier if they wished? I think that makes it a bit more flexible. Say I have to work late and can't get there till 7:30. I can still participate (let's be honest, I can't really shoot ), but I'll definitely have to stick around to tear down.

I think it can be made to work in a manner satisfactory to everyone, once some of the bugs are worked out.

I do agree that it is a bit hard to get a good feel for the course watching through the glass.

[andrewP]

Fun time tonight, thanks to the RO's for making things run smooth and getting people cycled through quickly.

Here's me sucking, but hey I got an entire season to get better. Or at least that's what I'm telling myself.

Thanks for posting those vids. I've never been to the Burnsville league, and have been curious what the stages are like. Are those pretty typical in terms of round count? I've been going to Oakdale for a couple of summers now, and I'd love to get my wife to try it out, but she shoots a .380 with an 8 round mag and only has 2 mags, so "true" USPSA like Oakdale is pretty much out unless she'd be allowed to shoot not for score and only shoot the short stages, which would be pretty lame. If the stages at Burnsville are typically < 17 rounds like the two you posted, between that and the "Light" power factor scoring option, she'd be able to try it out and at least have some fun, if not be truly competitive.

If the incentive is to reward people who show up early and help set up, maybe look at the Oakdale model and offer a match fee discount? Even $2 is enough to motivate some people.

Certainly couldn't hurt; whenever I go to Oakdale, I try to make it in time to help with setup, both because I like doing it *and* because the $5 off makes the fun cheaper - it's a win-win, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who sees it that way.

[xd ED]

I'm not able to make it to these meets, at least through New Years, but I'm curious about the format change; could someone elaborate?
Nice to see the videos posted.

[CarRacer]

The stages do tend to get more complicated as the year goes on but the round count typically doesn't grow too much, it's pretty similar to what you saw there

The format change was grouping shooters by when they signed in. They cycled through squads of ten. Shoot both stages then paste targets for a squad then you're free to leave. At least that's what I did.

I'm iffy on the structure. I liked getting out of there an hour earlier but I don't think it's a better trade off than being able to be in the bay and see how stages are being shot and figure out my own plan. I also wasn't able to chat (or yell with ear pro on) as much either, which I think is a large portion to these matches.

Also, scores are up. Thanks SkyRock!

[Tubguy]

Where are the scores posted at? I did not see them on Burnsville sight.
Thanks

[TH3180]

Where are the scores posted at? Idid not see them on Burnsville sight.
Thanks

He emails them out and then Roger will have them up on the BPR site sometime. PM skyrock and I'm sure he would send them to you.

[SkyRock]

Where are the scores posted at? Idid not see them on Burnsville sight.
Thanks

He emails them out and then Roger will have them up on the BPR site sometime. PM skyrock and I'm sure he would send them to you.

Yup! Done!

[SkyRock]

Thanks for posting those vids. I've never been to the Burnsville league, and have been curious what the stages are like. Are those pretty typical in terms of round count? I've been going to Oakdale for a couple of summers now, and I'd love to get my wife to try it out, but she shoots a .380 with an 8 round mag and only has 2 mags, so "true" USPSA like Oakdale is pretty much out unless she'd be allowed to shoot not for score and only shoot the short stages, which would be pretty lame. If the stages at Burnsville are typically < 17 rounds like the two you posted, between that and the "Light" power factor scoring option, she'd be able to try it out and at least have some fun, if not be truly competitive.

You bring up two good points. Round counts are typically less than 25 per bay (we use two bays). Since the bays are 24' wide, and the targets are 18" wide, we can only get a max of 16 targets crammed together. While we may have that many (and sometimes we stack them), that's the exception, not the rule. However, I strongly recomend that your wife bring a minimum of three magazines. We do make allowances for a first-timer that doesn't have enough magazines (bring a friend to reload the ones you used while your still shooting. Hmmm. Maybe we could make a stage like that. ). Just once, though, and it would give her a feel for what we do.

As to the .380 caliber, that's not a problem. We started the Burnsville matches so people could use what they already own, without investing lots of $$$ in guns and gear only to find it wasn't for them. (OK, so we really started it so we'd have a place to shoot in the winter. ) We used to permit pellet guns, but not anymore. If it's a firearm that is permitted at BPR, you can use it.

If the incentive is to reward people who show up early and help set up, maybe look at the Oakdale model and offer a match fee discount? Even $2 is enough to motivate some people.

Certainly couldn't hurt; whenever I go to Oakdale, I try to make it in time to help with setup, both because I like doing it *and* because the $5 off makes the fun cheaper - it's a win-win, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who sees it that way.

Yeah, I take advantage of that, too, but I don't see that as an option, here.

[andrewP]

You bring up two good points. Round counts are typically less than 25 per bay (we use two bays). Since the bays are 24' wide, and the targets are 18" wide, we can only get a max of 16 targets crammed together. While we may have that many (and sometimes we stack them), that's the exception, not the rule. However, I strongly recomend that your wife bring a minimum of three magazines. We do make allowances for a first-timer that doesn't have enough magazines (bring a friend to reload the ones you used while your still shooting. Hmmm. Maybe we could make a stage like that. ). Just once, though, and it would give her a feel for what we do.

As to the .380 caliber, that's not a problem. We started the Burnsville matches so people could use what they already own, without investing lots of $$$ in guns and gear only to find it wasn't for them. (OK, so we really started it so we'd have a place to shoot in the winter. ) We used to permit pellet guns, but not anymore. If it's a firearm that is permitted at BPR, you can use it.

Sounds like it'd at least be workable, then; I'll have to bring the idea up and see if she goes for it. A cheap holster and one more mag for her gun wouldn't be a huge investment.

[SkyRock]

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Sounds like it'd at least be workable, then; I'll have to bring the idea up and see if she goes for it. A cheap holster and one more mag for her gun wouldn't be a huge investment.

Just make sure the "cheap" holster will stay open so she can re-holster one-handed. The kind that closes is definately unsafe!

[The Lance]

Are scores sent out yet? Usually is a bit quicker than this to get them.

[PRS]

Scores came out Saturday, message sky rock

[andrewP]

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Sounds like it'd at least be workable, then; I'll have to bring the idea up and see if she goes for it. A cheap holster and one more mag for her gun wouldn't be a huge investment.

Just make sure the "cheap" holster will stay open so she can re-holster one-handed. The kind that closes is definately unsafe!

Oh, I'm well aware of those concerns, and "floppy" holsters are the last thing I would recommend. By "cheap," I meant a CCC Versaclip or something similar.

[SkyRock]

Oh, I'm well aware of those concerns, and "floppy" holsters are the last thing I would recommend. By "cheap," I meant a CCC Versaclip or something similar.

That would be "thrifty," not cheap! Good call.

[Snowgun]

I suggest a hybrid approach:
Similar to tuesday night steel in rio salado, you could have people sign up in order, and then immediatly have them put their scorecards in two piles as they sign up. (Put the piles right by rodger, labeled stage 1 and 2). These two piles are the stages and their shooting order.

Then do both stage descriptions and send the groups in. Shoot each stage in the order the scorecards are in!

As soon as somebody finishes a stage, they walk to the other stage and put their scorecard in the BOTTOM of the pile. Latecomers also walk in and put their scorecard on the bottom.

This method makes logistics easy, lets people watch and socialize, provides an incentive to arrive early and provides people around at end for takedown, retains a shooting order, runs both stages continuously and can be weighted so short stages start with a bigger stack.

Its worked in AZ for many years and they run 250+ people through every tuesday.