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Gun Cleaning

Postby Synergy on Sun Oct 06, 2013 12:54 pm

Lets talk how to make cleaning handguns easier

I tried soaking my barrels in Hoppes 9 and it worked really well but I used a tupperware container and it warped it so the lid seal opened up causing fumes to get out causing the wife to get :x Any suggestions on a better container that I can use in the house that is sealed and can stand up to Hoppes 9?

Anyone here clean gun parts in an ultrasonic? Looks pretty slick to me but also looks like you can mess up the finish on certain parts, is it worth it, which one to get, what solution to use, waste of money/time??? I love to buy new gadgets 8-)
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Re: Gun Cleaning

Postby 870TC on Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:32 pm

Ive seen people using mason jars to soak parts in Hoppes. I have a ultra sonic, the one Brownells sold several years before they became popular. Its a messy, time consuming, waste of money in my opinion.
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Re: Gun Cleaning

Postby centermass40 on Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:40 pm

You could use a tall ( 6 inch ) olive jar that has a metal cap. Works great !
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Re: Gun Cleaning

Postby Eric Marleau on Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:11 pm

Get some Gun Scrubber and spray the gun thoroughly. That will get most of the oil and junk out of the gun. Then get some Butch's Bore Shine which is stronger than Hoppe's and scrub the gun down with that.
Then oil it with CLP.
I've never heard of soaking a gun in a container.
I must be new to this stuff ;)

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Re: Gun Cleaning

Postby Scratch on Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:15 pm

I have an US cleaner. I bought it to clean handguns. I don't like it. It seems to work well, but I think I'd rather clean them the normal way, seems like less hassle.
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Re: Gun Cleaning

Postby EJSG19 on Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:33 pm

Scratch wrote:I have an US cleaner. I bought it to clean handguns. I don't like it. It seems to work well, but I think I'd rather clean them the normal way, seems like less hassle.


This is me. Nitrile gloves, apron, hoppes 9, brushes and picks and patches, oil. Handgun done in 10-30 mins depending on how thorough you need.
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Re: Gun Cleaning

Postby Hmac on Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:57 pm

Scratch wrote:I have an US cleaner. I bought it to clean handguns. I don't like it. It seems to work well, but I think I'd rather clean them the normal way, seems like less hassle.


Me too. I do still use the U/S cleaner for AR15 BCG and components. Otherwise...the smell of Hoppe's #9 is the smell of my youth. Every time I clean a gun, it brings back some memories from 50 years ago.

If I have a pistol frame that's really crudded up, I'll either use GunScrubber, or I'll use a siphon-blaster on my air compressor with mineral spirits. That's always a little messy, though.

Did I mention that it's always easier on a marriage if you use the Hoppe's #9 out in the workshop? That was made clear to me 30 years ago.
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Re: Gun Cleaning

Postby Eric Marleau on Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:17 pm

I'll use Hoppe's also in my reloading room. When I pull out the Butch's Bore Shine the Wife starts yelling. Bore Shine is for use in the garage.
Ever take the top of a jar of Hoppe's and just take a wiff? Memories are made of that and it's legal too :lol:


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Re: Gun Cleaning

Postby LarryFlew on Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:47 pm

You're supposed to clean them too????????





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Re: Gun Cleaning

Postby JTHubred on Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:17 am

Thanks for the ideas and comments, I'll have to apply some of this to the next time I clean
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Re: Gun Cleaning

Postby jshuberg on Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:11 am

I soak my barrels in Hoppes overnight, and in some cases for a few days before hitting them with a brush. After an average of 300-500 rounds through the barrel, I can get all the carbon fouling out after ~5 patches. I use a plastic Gatorade bottle for soaking, and replace all of the solvent when it's no longer transparent.

I also have an ultrasonic cleaner:
http://www.sonicsystemsales.com/home.html

I use it twice a year or so on my pistols, but it's not the time or effort saver people are lead to believe. If you have to scrub a barrel with a bronze brush to get it clean, vibrating liquid isn't going to do as well a job, and it does nothing for copper fouling. Where I've noticed the ultrasonic shines in in cleaning the frame, and all of the little nooks and crannies that never get cleaned properly, even if the pistol is completely disassembled.

What I do when I use the ultrasonic is to completely disassemble the pistol, and clean each part individually (including the barrel) before running it the the cleaning solution in the tank. I do this to both keep the tank solution as clean as possible, and to inspect every piece for unusual wear or fatigue. You could also do a simple field strip and cleaning, but you will be changing the ultrasonic solution more frequently.I run all the parts through the cleaner for 4 minutes, and then the barrel itself for another 5. Be careful - the ultrasonic can remove paint and some finishes, or discolor some finishes if run for too long a time.

Immediately after being run though the cleaner, I dunk everything in distilled water and gently agitate to get all of the cleaning solution off. I then towel dry and then hit everything with compressed air to remove all of the water from the parts, and run all metal parts through the lubrication solution for 4 minutes. This adds a corrosion protection layer to the bare metal to prevent it from rusting or tarnishing. You want to make sure that everything is as dry as possible when running through the lube, as any water will dilute the solution over time.

I then place everything in a cardboard box, with a 100 watt incandescent bulb in a shop light a few inches above the box. This causes the lube to penetrate the metal, and most of the excess to evaporate off. After 24 hours I wipe/blow dry any remaining lube, lubricate with CLP and reassemble. Note that the ultrasonic lubrication is actually more of a protectant than lubrication. You will need to use your lube of choice during reassembly. If you ran your gun with only ultrasonic lube, it would chew itself up in a very short period of time.

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An alternate method would be to skip the lube step in the ultrasonic, and simply soak every part in a penetrating oil like CLP overnight. This would actually be better than the ultrasonic lube in some ways, as the oil that has penetrated into the pores of the metal will act as a better residual lubrication if the pistol runs dry. It's a lot messier, as you'll have to hand dry every part dry - it won't evaporate like the L&R lube does. It's also better to fully disassemble your pistol to ensure that every part both gets a coating of oil, and is then fully wiped dry. If you miss a spot it will be subject to rust as the cleaner will have brought everything down to bare metal, and is highly susceptible to corrosion. Anything left wet that doesn't need to be is a fouling magnet, that can gum up the works over time.

So I think you get the point here, an ultrasonic isn't an alternative to routine cleaning. Its an additional method for doing a deep cleaning on pistols that see a lot of use, or that you do not want to fully disassemble for a traditional deep cleaning. While it may only take 4 minutes in the tank, the prep and post work take considerably longer, and don't really offer much of a time savings compared to conventional cleaning.

As a side I have recently been reconsidering my cleaning regimen as I've started looking into what happens in the barrel during both shooting and cleaning. Basically, the first few microns of the bore undergo chemical, structural, and metallurgical changes when fired. Carbon from the powder is forced into the pores of the barrel under extreme pressure and heat, increasing the carbon in the metal making it considerably more brittle than the original steel. Microfractures occur and other chemicals such as nitrogen also affect the surface of the bore. The effect is that any mechanical cleaning *does* remove extremely small amounts of the bore. The surface of the bore is no longer the original steel, and the whole notion that a bronze brush is softer than steel and can't hurt the bore is a fallacy.

The idea is to maintain a consistent level of fouling without ever over-cleaning the barrel back down to bare metal. An ultrasonic would likely screw up this approach to cleaning, as the ultrasonic vibrations will tend the remove fouling from the bore in tiny flakes, rather than work through the various layers that have been deposited. I'm thinking a dry boresnake through the barrel 10 times while hot after a shooting session may be all that's needed for regular barrel cleaning. I'll still clean down to metal for a deep cleaning, but I only do those twice a year or so, compared to once or twice a week for my normal routine cleanings.
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Re: Gun Cleaning

Postby Synergy on Wed Oct 09, 2013 3:49 pm

Totally forgot about this thread :oops:

Thanks for all the replies, it sounds like using an ultrasonic isn't as simple as I thought it would be so thanks for steering me away from that.

My biggest problem is getting all the black carbon off the front of the cylinder of my .44 mag super redhawk, that stuff is BAKED on there and so far Hoppe's #9 is the only thing that works on it but even after soaking it for a day then scrubbing it there is still some black on there. My other problem is I like to clean my guns inside and Hoppe's 9 is WAY too fumy and ends up getting me all dizzy and not in a good way lol.
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Re: Gun Cleaning

Postby BigDog58 on Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:03 pm

[quote="Synergy"]Totally forgot about this thread :oops:

Thanks for all the replies, it sounds like using an ultrasonic isn't as simple as I thought it would be so thanks for steering me away from that.

My biggest problem is getting all the black carbon off the front of the cylinder of my .44 mag super redhawk, that stuff is BAKED on there and so far Hoppe's #9 is the only thing that works on it but even after soaking it for a day then scrubbing it there is still some black on there. My other problem is I like to clean my guns inside and Hoppe's 9 is WAY too fumy and ends up getting me all dizzy and not in a good way lol.[/quote


I just sent you a PM. I have a sonic cleaner that we can try cleaning it with. Check your PM for my phone number

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PS- Internal parts can possibly be wet tumbled with stainless steel pins like I do my brass
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Re: Gun Cleaning

Postby Hmac on Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:48 pm

Slip 2000 Carbon Killer does a pretty good job with the baked-on stuff.

I never found ultrasonic cleaning to work that well for built-up carbon such as on an AR15 bolt, or the baked-on staining. I have had good luck with extended soaking in mineral spirits mixed with a fair amount of CLP. Even so, I still think that the Carbon Killer stuff works the best.
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Postby MWAG on Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:25 pm

Non Chlorinated Brake Kleen and various brushes for the stubborn areas, followed by good old #9. Then straight 30 wt. Motor oil
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