I touched a Glock......(shiver)

[PHATSPEED7x]

I've had a Glock 17, 19, and 26 over the past three years. Not bad shooting guns. Never had any issues with mine. It was just the way they felt in my hand that bothered me. I prefer the 18* grip angle of the M&P pistols.

When I bought my shield last Friday My dealer also had a Glock 30S in the case. I almost bought that instead of the shield. But I knew that I would be kicking myself if I did that. So I got the Shield instead. I'm very happy with it.

[MudDuck73]

glocks are the best pistols ever made and there no use for any thing else any more!

[Seismic Sam]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=B_SFZaZ8v8g

Oh, and could we have a n00b cleanup in aisle 4 for the guy with 8 posts...

[Tronster]

Dunno who that was, but maybe this guy's quote at the top of the page fits?

viewtopic.php?f=52&t=45685&p=482350#p482350

[Mn01r6]

I dunno but Sam either missed this or I am on his ignore list: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=47285&st=0&sk=t&sd=a#p493272

I fully expected a response to that ribbing.

[Hmac]

It only cost me about $70 to turn my Glock 19 into a functional and reliable pistol, but by that time I'd already moved on to a better platform (IMHO). My Walther PPQ has been excellent in every regard. I wasn't comfortable saddling someone else with my potentially problematic G19 so it does backup duty at the back of the pistol safe.

[crbutler]

If you want to do it right, you need a 9mm barrel, not a .38S. (.355 vs .356)

Since you are the noob roaster, whaddya think you are doing making an overbore barrel??? You will blow an eye out or something...

(I have 2 9x25's. They won't let me play with them at any USPSA matches because they hurt the RO's and Roger at Burnsville asked me to not shoot them there after I consistently blew the overhead lights out with the comp.)

Well, technically you ARE correct, UNLESS you load the 9x25 Dillon cases with the Winchester 130 grain .356 38 Super bullet!!

In reality, considering the pressures involved, that one mil won't make diddly squat of difference with the hot 9x25 loads because the base of the bullet will upset and seal the bore no matter what, and last I looked the lands on pistol barrels were a touch more than 1/2 mil high per side....

That being said, I DO have an old and cheap ($349 NIB) EAA 10mm that's already Magnaported, so if I get a plain old 9mm or 38 Super Witness barrel, I may be in luck.

BTW: Got any 9x25 loads and chrono data you'd care to share??

Had to pull the data out.

These work in my guns, but are a little different.

9x25 Triangle custom ramped barrel (Briley barrel)- This was the old IPSC Major (175 PF) I will note that when I did these, it was back in my "that which does not kill me" phase of reloading, so I did run things up past the sane point. There was no reason to try and get better than 200 PF other than to prove I could. Crimping will make a substantial difference in load performance. Tighter is good. If it is not well crimped, there can be some bullet migration which causes issues. All of these loads had bad SD variations until I figured that out. This is not a reloading chore for folks who have no other reloading experience. Its a lot like the .357 SIG, but a lot more oomph. I will also add, it is quite obnoxious to folks around you. The only thing I have seen worse is a comped 9mm Win Mag or a competition comped SBR M16 in .223.... Rob Leatham supposedly developed arthritis in his wrist from one of these. The comps work very well with them,so the recoil is all straight back

110 grain JHP .358 bullet 16 g 296 1.255 OAL ( to crimp groove) @ 1700 FPS
115 grain Zero JHP .355 bullet at 1.250 OAL The speer JHP's were maybe 10 FPS slower.
13.0 gr H110 1375 FPS
14.0 gr H110 1480 FPS
14.5 gr H110 1550 FPS (Good Major load, but I had trouble finding H110)
13.7 gr AA9 1590 FPS
12.0 gr VVN110 1425 FPS
13.0 gr VVN110 1600 FPS (this was my old major load) Primers are a smidge flat From this point on, the loads are compressed a bit.
14.0 gr VVN110 1800 FPS Flat primers.
15.0 gr VVN110 gives @2100 FPS but causes case separations and bad primer flattening in anything that has been fired once. Probably pretty overpressure, but the gun really has negative buoyancy with this load. Blows the heck out of varmints (Rabbits, muskrats, Crats...) I would not use this load, but in the interest of completeness recorded it. I've shot 50 rounds of it, and it didn't look too bad with new brass. The second time around I threw them out after 2 shots, each time having a case separation.
124 gr Gold Dot JHP (.355) at 1.260 OAL.
13.0 gr VVN110 1510 FPS
14.5 gr H110 1525 FPS

147 gr Gold Dot JHP .355
13.5 gr H110 1495 FPS


My single stack version is a little slower velocity wise, but behaves the same as far as pressure. Have fun.

[BigDog58]

Ok, I'll volunteer to sit on Sam and hold him down and all of us that own Glocks get to rub them ALL over him. Just make sure you do a safety check and assure the gun is clear. That's just in case he gets away and decides he Loves Glocks so much he might want to shoot one

[Seismic Sam]

That being said, I DO have an old and cheap ($349 NIB) EAA 10mm that's already Magnaported, so if I get a plain old 9mm or 38 Super Witness barrel, I may be in luck.

BTW: Got any 9x25 loads and chrono data you'd care to share??

Had to pull the data out.

These work in my guns, but are a little different.

9x25 Triangle custom ramped barrel (Briley barrel)- This was the old IPSC Major (175 PF) I will note that when I did these, it was back in my "that which does not kill me" phase of reloading, so I did run things up past the sane point. There was no reason to try and get better than 200 PF other than to prove I could. Crimping will make a substantial difference in load performance. Tighter is good. If it is not well crimped, there can be some bullet migration which causes issues. All of these loads had bad SD variations until I figured that out. This is not a reloading chore for folks who have no other reloading experience. Its a lot like the .357 SIG, but a lot more oomph. I will also add, it is quite obnoxious to folks around you. The only thing I have seen worse is a comped 9mm Win Mag or a competition comped SBR M16 in .223.... Rob Leatham supposedly developed arthritis in his wrist from one of these. The comps work very well with them,so the recoil is all straight back

My single stack version is a little slower velocity wise, but behaves the same as far as pressure. Have fun.

Thanks for the data!! If I manage to get an EAA 38 Super barrel for my 10mm Witness, I'll send it to Ohio and get the chamber reamed, and then have the barrel magnaported to match the slots in the current slide. And yes, I will believe the noisy part, and also making the folks with 9mm's dive for cover. If you think a 9x25 is bad, you should stand next to it's Big Brother, the 11x32 Corbon, aka the 440 Corbon Magnum. It was a huge dud of a caliber that CorBon came out with to make the DE50 "more accessible", and there are only 300 - 400 guns and barrels out there. It's a hyper velocity 44 mag round like the 445 Supermag, and in a 6"bbl pistol it could push a 240 gr. JHP to 1600 FPS. !!! The case is a 50AE case necked down to 44 caliber. If you had one of the incredibly rare 10" barrels, you could hit 2000 FPS! The shock wave has a good sharp crack! to it that will get people's attention when you shoot it.

357 Sig at left, 440 Corbon at right:

[Rodentman]

You can touch my G20 when I get the GI kit for it.

[Seismic Sam]

You can touch my G20 when I get the GI kit for it.

Quite frankly, I can understand Alex's rationale for a 50GI kit since there is SOOOO much Tupperware around, but the WHOLE SLIDE is SOLID STEEL!! That's gotta be the most muzzle heavy gun around, and dunno about the snap with essentially ALL the weight above the center of mass for your hand. I sure as hell wouldn't bet $X00 of my money to find out the answer to that question.

You are, however, a persistent little cheez thief and handloading weirdo, so if you do go this route allow me to save you about $70 for reloading dies. the Hornady dies are far superior to the Lee die, but the Hornady size die is steel while the Lee size die is carbide. I wound up ordering both sets, which was like $160, but whachoo you gonna do?? Now I know better. Just get the Hornady 50GI die set. You already have a Smith 500 carbide die, and those are identical to 50 GI dies.

You owe me a beer or three at the EFFEN Gopher....

[LePetomane]

The Glock would be a nice gun if it didn't have such a crappy trigger.

[BigDog58]

The Glock would be a nice gun if it didn't have such a crappy trigger.

For less than $60 I make my triggers like smooth butter. When I went to Glocks school (feels like light years ago) they showed us great ways to improve the trigger feel. This was before we can buy the parts off the shelf. I am NOT a gunsmith, but if you want to make your Glock trigger much better pm me and I'll help you get what you need.

Side note: several asked the instructor why Glock didn't simply improve their triggers from the factory? COST was his answer

[jspace]

Austria is only 8.83e-10 light years away.

[Hmac]

Austria is only 8.83e-10 light years away.

How far is Georgia?