I touched a Glock......(shiver)

[BigDog58]

Georgia (Griffin to ge exact) is 1121 miles from my front door to my front door in Bloomington, MN. Well, it was way back in 2002 when I moved here. I cam the "Suthern" route, across I-20 to I-35 and North. It felt like Light years in difference of climate to me

[Rodentman]

«You are, however, a persistent little cheez thief and handloading weirdo»

I consider that a true compliment! I think I redid the trigger on the G20. I'll have to check my notes. Wait a minute, I don't think I made any notes and if I did I know I won't be able to find them. I'll look into the matter. I know I rebuilt the triggers on the G29 and G19.

Thanks to Sam for the tip on the 500 mag sizing die and the Hornady set. I'm not a big fan of Lee dies even after replacing the retaining rings with Hornady rings.

[EJSG19]

Alright, I'm getting winter fever, and looking around for some sort of firearm project to keep me amused while my knee heals up. I have been toying with trying to get one of my 10mm's to run 9x25 Dillon for some time, but nobody seems to make 1911 barrels any more in that caliber. Bar Sto has sworn off doing it, and the only place where you can easily find 9x25 barrels is Lone Wolf for the (gulp!) Glock. So I went to Bill's yesterday, and asked to see a G20 or G21, and they gave me a G21, and the first feeling I noticed when holding it was a feeling of, well, claustrophobia. I have huge hands, which fit nicely around Hogue finger groove grips on a DE50, and can also hold an entire reloading n00b over a fire and roast them for dinner. (I'm fireproof, n00bs are not....) So my fingers felt bunched together on the grip, and the trigger guard was too close to the palm of my hand, so when I reached for the trigger my finger would touch the outside of the trigger guard, and I had to bend the finger first and then put it in the too small trigger guard.

Then I tried pulling the trigger. WTF?? Is this the long road to Tipperary?? You squeeze and squeeze and squeeze and it FINALLY goes click. So serious question for Glock shooters: How do you figure out where the set point is so you can shoot accurately?? I couldn't feel a damn thing until it went click.

At any rate, the 9x25 Dillon Glock project is in the wastebasket and never coming back out, but I am mystified on how you can pull back just far enough to draw a steady bead on the target and then trip it in that instant when everything is lining up.

EDIT 2 days later after going back to Bill's:

Well, from the advice I got, I went back and tried the trigger after it had been held down and the slide dropped home. It was a lot better, but still squisher than a stainless Ruger Redhawk trigger pull, where you swear somebody had stuffed some week old sushi into the sear mechanism...

As far a size, yes my hand is flat out too big for a Gen 3 G21. The bottom edge of the slide digs uncomfortably into my 2nd finger, and the top middle of my index finger and the bottom tip of my index finger on the other side both press against the trigger guard fairly firmly, so dragging my finger along is about 30% of the total force of the pull.

Trying to treat a factory glock like its a target/bullseye pistol is like wanting to take a tighter than a snare drum match pistol into combat. Not wise.

[Hmac]

Then I tried pulling the trigger. WTF?? Is this the long road to Tipperary?? You squeeze and squeeze and squeeze and it FINALLY goes click. So serious question for Glock shooters: How do you figure out where the set point is so you can shoot accurately?? I couldn't feel a damn thing until it went click.

I took my Glock to the Range yesterday and shot it side-by-side with my PPQ. I have a "trigger job" on the Glock, with a 3.5 lb connector and some polishing. By comparison to the PPQ's trigger, the Glock is so bad that I've re-thought my decision to keep the thing. I'm going to sell it and buy another PPQ when they re-import the original paddle release version after the first of the year.

[Seismic Sam]

They gave me a G21, and the first feeling I noticed when holding it was a feeling of, well, claustrophobia. I have huge hands, which fit nicely around Hogue finger groove grips on a DE50, and can also hold an entire reloading n00b over a fire and roast them for dinner. (I'm fireproof, n00bs are not....) So my fingers felt bunched together on the grip, and the trigger guard was too close to the palm of my hand, so when I reached for the trigger my finger would touch the outside of the trigger guard, and I had to bend the finger first and then put it in the too small trigger guard.

EDIT 2 days later after going back to Bill's:

As far a size, yes my hand is flat out too big for a Gen 3 G21. The bottom edge of the slide digs uncomfortably into my 2nd finger, and the top middle of my index finger and the bottom tip of my index finger on the other side both press against the trigger guard fairly firmly, so dragging my finger along is about 30% of the total force of the pull.

Trying to treat a factory glock like its a target/bullseye pistol is like wanting to take a tighter than a snare drum match pistol into combat. Not wise.[/quote]

Your point is taken, except you do have choices between a match trigger and a combat trigger that are not that different with 1911's, so expecting a combat gun to HAVE a SH*&TY trigger is simply an artifact of Glock's low price point. And as far as the frame being too EFFEN small for my n00b roasting lunchooks, well I generally don't have that problem with 1911's EAA's ASAI's, Sigs, Desert Eagles, S&W's, and Paras. It's already been said that the Glock is NOT the best gun ever made, or accurate, or pretty or has the best trigger pull, but it's incredibly popular. Unfortunately, it 's "greatest good for the greatest numbers" design philosophy leaves me on the outside looking in because they don't make a G20XL. Is this somehow my fault??

[EJSG19]

Nope not anyones fault. Its a gun made for the masses to shoot adequately for defense. I can usually shoot mine to its ability. 1-3" groups at 10 yards is the expectation and that's what they all will do.

The trigger is mushy from the factory but you learn the platform like anything else. In a fight you don't pull a trigger the same as you do at a bullseye match (I'm guessing). They can be shot well but you are asking a draft horse to run the Kentucky Derby by wanting the same from a Glock as a finely tuned 1911 or similar.

I can understand the system shock from a person used to the other. Same goes for me. I pick up a nice crisp target gun and every time its " holy **** this thing is so easy to be accurate with!"

[Rodentman]

You can touch my G20 when I get the GI kit for it.

Quite frankly, I can understand Alex's rationale for a 50GI kit since there is SOOOO much Tupperware around, but the WHOLE SLIDE is SOLID STEEL!! That's gotta be the most muzzle heavy gun around, and dunno about the snap with essentially ALL the weight above the center of mass for your hand. I sure as hell wouldn't bet $X00 of my money to find out the answer to that question.

You are, however, a persistent little cheez thief and handloading weirdo, so if you do go this route allow me to save you about $70 for reloading dies. the Hornady dies are far superior to the Lee die, but the Hornady size die is steel while the Lee size die is carbide. I wound up ordering both sets, which was like $160, but whachoo you gonna do?? Now I know better. Just get the Hornady 50GI die set. You already have a Smith 500 carbide die, and those are identical to 50 GI dies.

You owe me a beer or three at the EFFEN Gopher....

I'll buy the beer, but GI no longer sells the Horny dies so I guess I'm stuck with the Lee ones. I'm sure Horny supplied only GI and doesn't make them available to the general pubic. Same with Starline and the brass. I DID up my brass order to 300 when I called to switch the dies from Lee to Horny. And I have the lovely micrometer adjuster for the seating die.

[PRS]

A glock will hold an inch farther than 10'.....