Mpls Mayor Candidate Brutally Clubbed at MOA Iphone robbery

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Mpls Mayor Candidate Brutally Clubbed at MOA Iphone robbery

Postby gunsmith on Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:56 am

Mpls Mayor Candidate Brutally Clubbed Day after Christmas at MOA Iphone robbery.

This brings a lot of issues home.

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(There's a 'caption contest' in the expression on his face)

The New Mayor of Minneapolis (some chick) wants to start a 'Cradle to Pre-school' support program for underprivledged youts in Minneapolis...it's her first order of business.

Hopefully there's a chapter on 'Don't steal stuff' and 'Don't beat people with a stick while shouting...WE ARE GOING TO KILL YOU'

Possibly the two girl-thugs should get some of that one-to-one counseling from the Babe-Mayor.

I think her campaing slogan was 'Come to Momma' Here's the new mayor wearing a Birka:

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She's So INCLUSIVE!

Anyway the firearm issue here in my opinion is the threshold for lethal force. Do your own thinking...He was attacked by 2 strapping Ghetto-Mommas with a BILLY CLUB. And they be shouting 'We are going to kill you'

Is there any question that that merits "2 to the heart and one to the head" times two. (even though they are children?)

The runner-up in the Minneapolis mayoral election is recovering after being robbed and brutally beaten Thursday night at the Mall of America.

Mark Andrew, 63, was at a Starbucks inside the mall at around 7 p.m. Thursday when a man grabbed his phone off his table and ran off.

When Andrew went after him, he was tackled by two teenage girls – aged 18 and 17 — one of which began beating him with a billy club. During the attack, they told Andrew, “We’re going to kill you,” police say.

Andrew was left with a large gash on his head that required nine stitches. He has since been released from the hospital.

Andrew said Friday that he chased after the thief, because he’s not a bystander by nature.

“If somebody is gonna do that to me or somebody else, I’m not a bystander by nature I’ll go in and fight,” he said.

The two women who attacked Andrew were arrested and are in custody. The 18-year-old was identified as Letajia Shapree Cutler-Cain, of Brooklyn Park. She is pictured above and is being held pending felony charges of aiding and abetting aggravated robbery.

Police are still searching for the male suspect.

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Ghetto-Momma #1 Letajia Shapree Cutler-Cain, of Brooklyn Park ...Letajia Shapree....such poetry in a name !!!

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Next time I'm being beaten in the Head with a Fricking Billy-Club...I'll have to pull out this cheat sheet and do a quick review...

My current standard as an over-the-hill 60 something (whether proper or not) is you swing with a closed fist (and hit or miss) and you're getting shot at least 3 times although I will most likely empty the magazine in your head. :)

Deadly Force outside the Dwelling:
Generally requires 4 criteria to be met and is an affirmative defense. That is, you in effect say: Yes, I DID it but it was justified because ... You can think of the criteria as pillars or links in a chain holding you over a legal pit . If any of the elements is not present, you don't have the protection of the affirmative defense and the justification for lethal force is NOT present.

1) Reluctant participant. You can not be an aggressor in the altercation. You don't get to start or escalate an altercation and claim self defense. De-escalation, avoidance, and being the biggest chicken in the room are GOOD ideas

2) Reasonably in fear of Gross Bodily harm or Death. It must be an immediate threat. "I'm going to get my gun and kill you" is a threat but not immediate until the gun is present. Gross bodily harm means injuries so great that death is likely or possible; or that you’ll be disfigured or crippled permanently or for a significant period of time

3) Retreat if possible. You must retreat if you can safely do so. You don't have to retreat into more danger. i.e: turn your back on a gun / attacker, rush into traffic, leave your loved ones behind.

4) No lesser force would suffice. If you can stop a threat with something less than deadly force, you are required to. You are required to stop using force as soon as the threat stops. The condition of the victim and the attacker matter. You are not required to try other methods before using deadly force, you are simply expected to consider alternatives, and to only use deadly force when no other option is sufficient


Soooooooo.......what's your take on our 'Almost Mayors' bad day....His first mistake was not 'Retreating' ...he chased the Homies over PROPERTY. (mistake #1)

I would have backed up. (hopefully...however 'thinking' would not be a factor in this scenario)
It's shameful that our politicians would respond with force just to protect a silly cell phone...Shameful.
So glad this guy isn't the Mayor of MInneapolis. Who was his instructor?


JOY TO THE WORLD!

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Re: Mpls Mayor Candidate Brutally Clubbed at MOA Iphone robbery

Postby gunsmith on Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:47 am

http://www.startribune.com/local/west/237608921.html

The Star Tribune version is worth reading...it ends with this:

Even after authorities detained the attackers, the women told Andrew they would have him killed.

The hospital treated and released him the same night.

The man who swiped the phone apparently dropped it after seeing the commotion, and a passerby later returned it to Andrew.

“I’m not going to let someone take my phone,” Andrew said. “I’m not going to let that pass. They thought they wouldn’t get chased.”

Andrew said that as he walked back into his south Minneapolis home, he lifted his fist in the air and told his adult children, “We won.”

He vowed to stay involved in the case.

“They’re damaged kids, and maybe they’re too far gone, but I think there’s redemption for everybody,” Andrew said. “So we’ll try to find a way for them to get in a place where they can turn their lives around.


....Can't make this up :)
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Postby gunsmith on Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:57 am

Link to the police report

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Re: Mpls Mayor Candidate Brutally Clubbed at MOA Iphone robbery

Postby 2in2out on Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:15 am

gunsmith wrote:...His first mistake was not 'Retreating' ...he chased the Homies over PROPERTY. (mistake #1)


From his reaction, I'm not clear that he knew the two girls were involved. If I'm having a cup of coffee and relatively unaware of the people around me (as most people are), I would probably zero in on the guy who grabbed my phone, and ignore everything else. I think the guy probably didn't give chase to 3 people, but only to the 1 scumbag who grabbed his phone. To me, there's no physical attack here until his 2 accomplices initiated it. One of the girls jumped on his back - at that point, there's no option to retreat.

I'm glad Mr. Andrew took action against the thief and defended himself against the attack.

Speaking of being jumped from behind, the other assailant was whacking him over the head with a metal baton at the same time. Sorry, but I don't see how a firearm would've done any good for this guy. I think this does highlight a much bigger need for people to be prepared to defend themselves with whatever means is available to them.

According to the news, the girls admitted that they would've killed the guy if given the chance. I also noticed that according to the article, no one else who saw the incident tried to intervene. So, there were witnesses to the whole incident, including the shouts of "I'm going to kill you", but nobody stepped up to help the guy. Would they have watched him get killed, too? Unbelievable.
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Re: Mpls Mayor Candidate Brutally Clubbed at MOA Iphone robbery

Postby XDM45 on Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:39 am

2in2out wrote:According to the news, the girls admitted that they would've killed the guy if given the chance. I also noticed that according to the article, no one else who saw the incident tried to intervene. So, there were witnesses to the whole incident, including the shouts of "I'm going to kill you", but nobody stepped up to help the guy. Would they have watched him get killed, too? Unbelievable.


Speaking for myself, no. I wouldn't have watched. I would have left. Not my business. Not going to get involved in protecting other people because I'm not a LEO.... my one exception to getting involved is if it affects my life directly and/or unless they are family. It's an old debate that I'm not trying to stir up, (whether to get involved or not), and there's been countless threads and posts on the subject already..... I'm simply voicing my opinion and answer to what I'd do in the situation. People can agree or not. Both are fine with me. I don't care either way.
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Re: Mpls Mayor Candidate Brutally Clubbed at MOA Iphone robbery

Postby gunsmith on Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:00 pm

This guy was the runner up in the Mpls Mayoral election.

There's an opportunity for the collision of realities that I think won't be realized.

The guy is covered in blood, he has a concussion...look at that scalp wound.

The very values this guy lives and breathes have caused this beating....

and he will never connect the dots.

The headline of these stories should be:

A LIBERAL GETS MUGGED AND BEATEN...REFUSES TO CHANGE MIND.

It's his 'Religion' that's caused this.

Are we to think that by the end of the new Chick-Mayor's term that there will be less Hate and

Desperation in North Minneapolis.

Not a chance....
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Postby xd ED on Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:01 pm

XDM45 wrote:
2in2out wrote:According to the news, the girls admitted that they would've killed the guy if given the chance. I also noticed that according to the article, no one else who saw the incident tried to intervene. So, there were witnesses to the whole incident, including the shouts of "I'm going to kill you", but nobody stepped up to help the guy. Would they have watched him get killed, too? Unbelievable.


Speaking for myself, no. I wouldn't have watched. I would have left. Not my business. Not going to get involved in protecting other people because I'm not a LEO.... my one exception to getting involved is if it affects my life directly and/or unless they are family. It's an old debate that I'm not trying to stir up, (whether to get involved or not), and there's been countless threads and posts on the subject already..... I'm simply voicing my opinion and answer to what I'd do in the situation. People can agree or not. Both are fine with me. I don't care either way.


In a coffee shop, where someone is getting beat with a potentially lethal weapon- throwing a hot latte-datte into the face of the aggressor, or bonking them with a cream pitcher doesn't seem like something that would come back to haunt one.
It's not always a " open-fire-from-across-a-crowded-room, or do nothing' world.
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Re: Mpls Mayor Candidate Brutally Clubbed at MOA Iphone robbery

Postby Holland&Holland on Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:01 pm

So the Mayor elect ordered the attack?
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Re: Mpls Mayor Candidate Brutally Clubbed at MOA Iphone robbery

Postby gunsmith on Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:07 pm

throwing a hot latte-datte into the face of the aggressor,

I wonder if I ordered a 'Latte-Datte' what exactly would I wind up with?
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Re: Mpls Mayor Candidate Brutally Clubbed at MOA Iphone robbery

Postby xd ED on Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:08 pm

gunsmith wrote:I think her campaing slogan was 'Come to Momma' Here's the new mayor wearing a Birka Hijab:

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I wonder if that will be a habit.
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Re: Mpls Mayor Candidate Brutally Clubbed at MOA Iphone robbery

Postby gunsmith on Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:10 pm

xd ED wrote:
gunsmith wrote:I think her campaing slogan was 'Come to Momma' Here's the new mayor wearing a Birka Hijab:

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I wonder if that will be a habit.


Whatever it's called, she was doin' a Whole-Lotta Suckin Up.
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Re: Mpls Mayor Candidate Brutally Clubbed at MOA Iphone robbery

Postby XDM45 on Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:11 pm

gunsmith wrote:
xd ED wrote:
XDM45 wrote:throwing a hot latte-datte into the face of the aggressor,


I wonder if I ordered a 'Latte-Datte' what exactly would I wind up with?


Twisting the words or making up fake quotes of pro-gun people is the tactics of the anti-gun crowd.... so all I can assume is:

a) gunsmith is an anti-gunner, or
b) Heather hacked his account.

Which is it?
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Re: Mpls Mayor Candidate Brutally Clubbed at MOA Iphone robbery

Postby xd ED on Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:18 pm

XDM45 wrote:
Twisting the words or making up fake quotes of pro-gun people is the tactics of the anti-gun crowd.... so all I can assume is:

a) gunsmith is an anti-gunner, or
b) Heather hacked his account.

Which is it?



It wouldn't be the first time someone was unintentionally misquoted due to an error made copying a quote within a quote
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Re: Mpls Mayor Candidate Brutally Clubbed at MOA Iphone robbery

Postby gunsmith on Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:20 pm

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Can you hear the gears grinding in his brain...

More Food Stamps /////////Less White Privilege

Green Housing will solve the problems of North Minneapolis.

What if Trayvon Martin attacked me??? Would I have fought back??

It's the Tea Party's Fault. Obama's president...why do Black Children Beat Me?

I thought Obama was giving away free phones??? Why do they want mine???
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Re: Mpls Mayor Candidate Brutally Clubbed at MOA Iphone robbery

Postby gunsmith on Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:24 pm

xd ED wrote:
XDM45 wrote:
Twisting the words or making up fake quotes of pro-gun people is the tactics of the anti-gun crowd.... so all I can assume is:

a) gunsmith is an anti-gunner, or
b) Heather hacked his account.

Which is it?



It wouldn't be the first time someone was unintentionally misquoted due to an error made copying a quote within a quote


OOps....cheap attempt at humor....think I fixed it...

throwing a hot latte-datte into the face of the aggressor,

I wonder if I ordered a 'Latte-Datte' what exactly would I wind up with?


Although I would probably order a 'Latte-Schmatte'
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