Mpls Mayor Candidate Brutally Clubbed at MOA Iphone robbery

[gunsmith]

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... His-iPhone

The story is on Breitbart with 500 comments.

[2in2out]

Setting aside my personal thoughts about all the reasons not to go to the moa,
I am endlessly amazed by the naiveté/ condition white of so many people…. leaving laptops/ phones loose, in the open at coffee shops, restaurants when they go to the rest room, order pick up, etc. Women who leave their purses in shopping carts,when they are 20+ feet away, with their earbuds in…. people, especially young women wandering around, zoned out texting….

I'm always amazed at how few people will make eye contact with you as you walk through a crowd.

They might as well be carrying signs saying "easy victim".

Exactly. I once followed a young mother and her 2-ish child into Target. The mother was talking on her cell phone, and the kid followed her (not holding hands, just walking behind). The kid was behind her and in front of me. The mother was focused on her cell phone conversation, It was an abductor's dream come true, and it just made me so sad.

This is the way too many people are - they're willing to let stuff happen to them or anyone, as if someone is always going to look out for them. Real life scenarios like that make excellent examples in self-defense classes, and sadly there's no shortage of them.

[XDM45]

Setting aside my personal thoughts about all the reasons not to go to the moa,
I am endlessly amazed by the naiveté/ condition white of so many people…. leaving laptops/ phones loose, in the open at coffee shops, restaurants when they go to the rest room, order pick up, etc. Women who leave their purses in shopping carts,when they are 20+ feet away, with their earbuds in…. people, especially young women wandering around, zoned out texting….

I'm always amazed at how few people will make eye contact with you as you walk through a crowd.

They might as well be carrying signs saying "easy victim".

Exactly. I once followed a young mother and her 2-ish child into Target. The mother was talking on her cell phone, and the kid followed her (not holding hands, just walking behind). The kid was behind her and in front of me. The mother was focused on her cell phone conversation, It was an abductor's dream come true, and it just made me so sad.

This is the way too many people are - they're willing to let stuff happen to them or anyone, as if someone is always going to look out for them. Real life scenarios like that make excellent examples in self-defense classes, and sadly there's no shortage of them.

Lesson #1: You cannot save people from themselves.

[45Badger]

Those two should have been red spots in the toilet. If only their momma's had morning after pills................

[CROSBYK2]

What interested me the most about this dialog are the comments about not getting involved. My original thoughts were that in this situation I would wade right in and do what had to be done to protect the victims. Not thinking about the possible outcome of criminal or civil trials that would surely follow. No good deed goes unpunished, right? So maybe not getting involved is the right approach, after all it's not my battle and I wasn't being attacked. Or, so it would seem.

After thinking this through, it occurs to me that this is exactly what the liberal establishment wants us all to think. They can take care of all our problems and no one needs to take responsibility for ourselves or anyone else at any level and if you don't follow that montra, we will take you to court and force you to fall inline. Well for me, the liberal establishment can kiss my white,conservative, gun toting buttocks. Ever think about the emotional impact of witnessing something like this and not doing something to stop it, especially if there was a fatality involved? In my not so humble opinion, it is our battle and we were being attacked. The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing.

Everyone has to make their own decision about getting involved in situations like this. I personally have decided that I will accept the risks of getting involved as my personal convictions and morals will not let me stand aside and let evil triumph.

[Pat Cannon]

I personally have decided that I will accept the risks of getting involved as my personal convictions and morals will not let me stand aside and let evil triumph.

I think I'm with you on this; I couldn't just stand by. (With any luck we'll never find out.)

[XDM45]

I personally have decided that I will accept the risks of getting involved as my personal convictions and morals will not let me stand aside and let evil triumph.

I think I'm with you on this; I couldn't just stand by. (With any luck we'll never find out.)

I commend you both for that.

I don't think that those who choose to get involved are the majority, and I wish they were. It would mean that we live in a much less litigious society where people don't put themselves at risk financially or otherwise while acting in the best interest of another. The fact is that many, probably the vast majority of people, are like me... self-protective. It's not that we don't have the morals and ethics, that we don't care and don't want to help another out...we DO want to help..... it's just that (for me), it's that I'm not willing to put my personal, financial and legal safety on the line for anyone except myself and my family. I can't speak for others and why they don't act...but I believe for many people, they and I may share the same reasons why we won't act.

I commend those who act and those who do not. It's a matter of personal risk one is willing to take....because any good person wants to help, but some of us have limits on the risk we'll accept in our life. That's all. For some, they want and can handle more risk; while some others cannot and do not. Both are valid choices.

If being self-protective of myself and my family first makes me a bad guy,....well, then I'm a bad guy. I can live with that.

[Pat Cannon]

I personally have decided that I will accept the risks of getting involved as my personal convictions and morals will not let me stand aside and let evil triumph.

I think I'm with you on this; I couldn't just stand by. (With any luck we'll never find out.)

I commend you both for that.
...
If being self-protective of myself and my family first makes me a bad guy,....well, then I'm a bad guy. I can live with that.

Hey, you might just be smarter than us. Plus, in the event, you MIGHT find out you couldn't just stand by, either.

[Greg]

Ahh yes...they were just getting their lives together...

http://www.startribune.com/local/west/238006141.html

On another note. I'm always amazed how many of you think it's so dangerous to go to the MOA, it's no more dangerous than any other place and safer than many. Unless you live in a nice suburban box with bubble wrap. A whole lot safer than anywhere downtown. It lends some credence to the "soft, white, paranoid suburban white guys" talk you hear from the "progressive" crowd!

[xd ED]

Ahh yes...they were just getting their lives together...

http://www.startribune.com/local/west/238006141.html

On another note. I'm always amazed how many of you think it's so dangerous to go to the MOA, it's no more dangerous than any other place and safer than many. Unless you live in a nice suburban box with bubble wrap. A whole lot safer than anywhere downtown. It lends some credence to the "soft, white, paranoid suburban white guys" talk you hear from the "progressive" crowd!

I don't believe it's any sense of imminent danger that keeps me out of the moa, as much I have no need for the crowds, noises, and general sensory overload, not unlike most downtown areas.
And as there is little to nothing unique available in such places, I tend to dismiss and avoid them.

[westhope]

The MOA (not the individual stores) bans guns, that is more than enough to keep me from going their. Plus the crowds.

[CROSBYK2]

Thanks Pat and XDM45 for the positive comments. We are all in this together. -- Kevin

[XDM45]

Hey, you might just be smarter than us.

Who knows.

Plus, in the event, you MIGHT find out you couldn't just stand by, either.

Possible, yes indeed. I can't rule it out 100%. I may not act in my own best interest even though logically I should. I can't guarantee my actions 100%.

We are all in this together. -- Kevin

True that Kevin. True that.

[Greg]

Ahh yes...they were just getting their lives together...

http://www.startribune.com/local/west/238006141.html

On another note. I'm always amazed how many of you think it's so dangerous to go to the MOA, it's no more dangerous than any other place and safer than many. Unless you live in a nice suburban box with bubble wrap. A whole lot safer than anywhere downtown. It lends some credence to the "soft, white, paranoid suburban white guys" talk you hear from the "progressive" crowd!

I don't believe it's any sense of imminent danger that keeps me out of the moa, as much I have no need for the crowds, noises, and general sensory overload, not unlike most downtown areas.
And as there is little to nothing unique available in such places, I tend to dismiss and avoid them.

I'm with you on that, I only live a few miles away but only get there for one reason or another about twice a year. I don't worry about my safety there any more than most places but there is not much there I'm interested in.

The mall bans guns but the corner stores don't (at least Sears) and concealed is concealed. I've never had a problem.

[LePetomane]

It's a matter of personal risk one is willing to take....because any good person wants to help, but some of us have limits on the risk we'll accept in our life. That's all. For some, they want and can handle more risk; while some others cannot and do not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ4YJpG3Zvo

I'm not about to risk what I have worked for. No way. Sounds cruel but I don't expect others to do that for me, either.