a hammer?

[Nougat]

looking to expand my collection.

I have a little .22 beretta neos and I'm now thinking about getting a 'real' pistol and moving up to 9mm. Is this a big jump for recoil? Is it worth it for better defense or added satisfaction in plinkng?

on to what I really want to know. Are there semi automatic pistols in 9mm that operate without the part on my neos that slides (slide?)back and just a hammer back there? hey if you have time talk about single and double action so I can understand it more or just why you like one more than the other?

so basically I want a 9mm with a hammer thingy on it rather than the slidey deal... I know my knowledge level is laughable but if you can at least help some when you mock me that would be great!

[JTapper]

Sounds like you want a single action revolver.

If there a particular reason you don't want to deal with the slide on a semi-automatic?

A single action or SA/DA will have a hammer, a double action only will not.

[mmcnx2]

Obviously you are pretty new to the handgun arena, so before you get slapped up form some of our less tolerant members let me provide a basic overview.

Semi autos fall into a many categories but basically there are single action, single/double action and striker fires(some folks would not put these in a class by them selves and would instead say they are unique single actions)

The 1911 is one of the more popular single actions guns, the trigger only fires the gun, it does not cock the hammer, the hammer is cocked by either hand or by the slide cycling. Most of these guns have an external safety.
A CZ 75 is a popular SA/DA pistol, the trigger on the first pull can cock the hammer and then the secondary shots cock the hammer via the slide cycling. Manhy of these guns have a de-cocker instead of a safety, so the hammer is mechanically de-cocked for carry and then the trigger is used to recock it for the first shot.
A Glock is an example of a striker fire and it is single action in that the trigger does not cock the hammer, however it has traits of a DA in that most do not have an external slide safety and instead utilize a integrated trigger safety.

My suggestion, depending on your location, would be to find a forum member that has a sample of each type, then someone could show you each in person and explain the difference. It is much easier to understand by seeing them than to explain the mechanics.

A 9mm will recoil much more than a 22, heck some folks say a 45 recoils less than a 9. Recoil is a subjective and for most people is dependent on the fit of the gun and how they shoot it.

Drop me a PM if you are on the west metro side and I'd be happy to give you a handgun 101 briefing along with a caliber disucssion.

[Hmac]

so basically I want a 9mm with a hammer thingy on it rather than the slidey deal... I know my knowledge level is laughable but if you can at least help some when you mock me that would be great!

You want a revolver, and yes, for self-defense you want it to be more robust than a .22. You would want it in .38/.38 Special/.357 Magnum. You can get them in SA/DA or DA only (hammerless). Size and configuration would depend on whether you plan to carry it or not. Ruger and Smith&Wesson would be good websites to surf.

[Nougat]

no I don't want a revolver. I had some idea on sa da. but now I think I get it? maybe...

So SA/DA won't have a slide? Striker fire I know nothing about.. although I want a hammer I don't like the thought of dealing with the cylinder gap,

edit :I think they cost more too. nope they don't.

well now I sorta think I could have just looked at theother dasa thread.

I want some nice wood furniture too. the cz video on youtube had a slide that went back are they all like that?

[LarryFlew]

All semis will have a slide, it's how they load the next round.

[Dakotared]

Yea 99% of semi autos have a slide that will go back like the ones you saw on youtube. I would say all are like that but I am sure there may be a few odd ball ones that I am not aware of.

You really need to go to a gun shop and look at them, hold them and get what others are trying to explain to you.

[Jack's My dog]

on to what I really want to know. Are there semi automatic pistols in 9mm that operate without the part on my neos that slides (slide?)back and just a hammer back there?

so basically I want a 9mm with a hammer thingy on it rather than the slidey deal... I know my knowledge level is laughable but if you can at least help some when you mock me that would be great!

I think you will likely be stuck having a slide with a semi-auto pistol, I can't think of any of the top of my that don't. If you are worried about slide bite, you may want to consider a pistol with a beavertail.

This recent thread has some good information and suggestions related to this subject.
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viewtopic.php?f=9&t=48262[/url]


Video on DA vs SA
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2be4eS_tMI[/url]

[Nougat]

I don't think it will matter. the nice gun with a hammer and wood would cost 2x more than something ''good'' I could get.

If someone knows of something non revolver with no slide and a hammer, I stillwant to know.

[hunterfreakhd]

Rolf at Penzel Training has a few classes you might benefit from.
http://www.penzeltraining.com/site/9e8b ... .html#2737

"Informed choices before you buy"
" defensive handgun fundamentals"
Those are the two classes

[Nougat]

it might be pertinent to say that I live way up north and my permit to purchase is expired. I'm not in a big rush and I'm pretty sure the 870 12g can handle the home defense. I just forgot, I guess how much the fancy gun I want would cost.

at least I learned a little, now I know that I'd want to look for a SA/DA

what did Magnum pi have??

[Pat Cannon]

Magnum PI carried 1911. That's what I used to carry. Like every autoloader I can think of, it has a slide.

The 1911 is a great, classic gun, and a good carry gun if you've trained with it and adjusted it enough to know that it's reliable with your carry ammo, and you're confident that you'll remember the manual safety under pressure.

Which is why I carry a revolver nowadays.

[Erud]

Is there a reason you want a semi auto handgun without a slide?


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[Pat Cannon]

Oh yeah, about single vs. double action. That's why 1911s are awesome. The 1911 is properly carried cocked, with the manual safety engaged, "cocked & locked" as they say. In theory one always remembers to sweep the safety lever off as one draws the weapon. Then, because the hammer is already cocked, the trigger pull is short and light, and that helps with accuracy and speed. There's no combat handgun I know of with a better trigger than a 1911.

But what if you're too flustered to remember a manual safety? There's a few approaches to this problem: Double Action Only (DAO), where a rather hard and long trigger pull cocks the hammer for every shot; DA/SA, where a rather hard and long trigger pull cocks the hammer for the first shot and followup shots are shot light single-action, and Glock-style "safe action", where, as I understand it, the hammer (striker) is partially cocked when the weapon is in its ready condition and cocked the rest of the way by the fairly-light fairly-short trigger pull. But others will know much more than me about all the more 'modern' autoloader actions; I've never owned one.

I decided to go with a totally 'point & shoot' system, that is, a DAO revolver. I don't consider the (relatively) long, hard trigger pull a problem, now that I've practiced with it for a while.

[whiteox]

An AR pistol wouldn't have a slide. A Luger would have a slide but it wouldn't be quite as much of a slide as a traditional semiauto.

An Uzi or AK pistol or a SIG 556 pistol would also not have a slide.

A Tec-9 would also fit the bill.

Apart from the Luger and Tec-9 and a mini Uzi, everything else gets pretty big, pretty quick.