a hammer?

[Erud]

An AR pistol wouldn't have a slide. A Luger would have a slide but it wouldn't be quite as much of a slide as a traditional semiauto.

An Uzi or AK pistol or a SIG 556 pistol would also not have a slide.

A Tec-9 would also fit the bill.

Apart from the Luger and Tec-9 and a mini Uzi, everything else gets pretty big, pretty quick.

While it's true that those don't have a slidey-deal, they don't meet the other criteria of having a hammer-thingy either...


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[jshuberg]

I suggest you go to the range with someone familiar with various types of pistols and have you try a few out. No offense but based on the questions you're asking, you may as well just go into a gun store, close your eyes and spin around and point at something. Asking questions on the forum here can be helpful, as would watching youtube vids and the like, but you need to put iron in your hand (or perhaps plastic) before it "clicks" for you. Prior to that any knowledge is purely academic, which isn't enough to make a decision on. Choosing a gun is more about the experience of shooting it than the academics of it, or it should be anyway.

Don't be afraid of the slide or the recoil of a 9mm pistol. It's a lot less than you seem to be making out. If I'm remembering correctly, the recoil of a standard 9mm is equivalent to dropping a 5 pound weight from 3-4 inches. People perceive recoil to be greater than this because of the muzzle flash and report of the shot, but the actual physical recoil pulse is absolutely manageable by just about anyone. Just make sure that you've got a decent grip, and you'll have absolutely no problem.

[Randygmn]

it might be pertinent to say that I live way up north and my permit to purchase is expired. I'm not in a big rush and I'm pretty sure the 870 12g can handle the home defense. I just forgot, I guess how much the fancy gun I want would cost.

at least I learned a little, now I know that I'd want to look for a SA/DA

what did Magnum pi have??

I'd like to know what gun is it that you want but forgot the costs. It may be helpful in soliciting advice. A new PTP can be had in just a few days, so that isn't an obstacle. I'd suggest devoting a day and driving down to a gun shop and range that rents pistols. That way, you can get an understanding of what is available on today's market and try some of them out on the range. If you come all the way down to Bills in robinsdale, make sure you visit on a Friday night. It's a night that I don't go. Maybe give the board a courtesy heads up too, on your timing

[Randygmn]

it might be pertinent to say that I live way up north and my permit to purchase is expired. I'm not in a big rush and I'm pretty sure the 870 12g can handle the home defense. I just forgot, I guess how much the fancy gun I want would cost.

at least I learned a little, now I know that I'd want to look for a SA/DA

what did Magnum pi have??

I'd like to know what gun is it that you want but forgot the costs. It may be helpful in soliciting advice. A new PTP can be had in just a few days, so that isn't an obstacle. I'd suggest devoting a day and driving down to a gun shop and range that rents pistols. That way, you can get an understanding of what is available on today's market and try some of them out on the range. If you come all the way down to Bills in robinsdale, make sure you visit on a Friday night. It's a night that I don't go. Maybe give the board a courtesy heads up too, on your timing

[jshuberg]

If you do decide to go to Bill's or another range some time, give the board a heads up ahead of time, I'm certain that one or more people here would be willing to give you an intro on pistol selection.

[PRS]

troll.....

[PRS]

troll.....

[Lunchbox]

If you do decide to go to Bill's or another range some time, give the board a heads up ahead of time, I'm certain that one or more people here would be willing to give you an intro on pistol selection.

I think the vast majority of the Robbinsdale employees are forum members already.

[Lumpy]

When I first started out I understood single-action vs. double-action for revolvers, but it took me awhile to understand how they apply to semi-automatics. It's really pretty simple: does the hammer have to be cocked back before pulling the trigger does anything? If the answer is "yes", then it's single-action. If "no" then it's single-double or double only. It might be confusing to a newbie because when you fire a semi-auto in addition to ejecting the spent shell and loading the next round, the slide cocks the hammer for you- hence the "auto" part.*

It's also a bit confusing because many guns advertised as hammerless double-action are really single-action in disguise; racking the slide to chamber the first round also cocks a hidden internal hammer. A distinguishing feature of a true double-action is that you can chamber a "snap cap"- a fake practice round- and repeatedly pull the trigger.

As mentioned upthread, the point of all this is that you need to be familiar with how your handgun functions in order to be able to carry it safely and be able to have it ready quickly in an emergency.

*I've never seen a "semi-auto" that required manually chambering each round; maybe they're made specially for the Kalifornia market?

[jshuberg]

True, but most of the time you guys don't have the ability to go into the range and demonstrate things live fire, which can really help out a newbie.

[Nougat]

probally heading to the flames here but on a SA/DA 1911 with a hammer (now I know/understand they will have a slide) if you want it more 'ready' and chamber one up (rack the slide[right?]) the hammer is probably cocked so is there usually a way to release the hammer that won't mess up the 'feeding' process and have it stay loaded[chambered] and ready for the longer trigger pull to start firing... This would be better than having to pull a slide. I'm pretty sure I could rack and flip safety on my shotgun fast enough, and rack and 'slap' my clone but I am thinking if it was really crappy I or the wife would be better off with that ready to go deal rather than dealing with a slide at the time.

Thanks for steering page 2 back to helpful btw, also thanks for the page 1 stuff too!

your comments about the range are funny but I practice in the 'woods' not at ranges beside cycling and clearing with a plastic dealy on the .22s. need some snap cap things to be able to practice more properly though(would like to have a lttle more confidence in honey being able to 'get ready'[she shoots fine with it and doesn't sweep me she only likes hers(the neos) but won't clear her own jams yet(stovepipes,fail to feed once in awhile, isn't the quickest on the slide_neither am I on it).. so thats more why I'm thinking of 'upgrading' the .22 was probably a good starter(and cheaper for 'training' if prices settles back down online). Soo it could be worth the extra $ if a 1911 would work like I ask about above in this post. another reason we don't want a revolver is dealing with the gap(we've watched the mythbusters episode on that).

meh maybe just some snapcaps for the .22 will be expensive enough its really just for backup for the shotgun and we aren't really that worried.

[Evad]

If you like the 1911 you can get a 22LR conversion kit for one.

[Pat Cannon]

...she shoots fine with it and doesn't sweep me she only likes hers(the neos) but won't clear her own jams yet(stovepipes,fail to feed once in awhile, isn't the quickest on the slide_neither am I on it)..

This is reason #17 that you want a revolver and just don't know it yet.

another reason we don't want a revolver is dealing with the gap(we've watched the mythbusters episode on that).

I didn't see that episode myself but Mythbusters goes for the dramatic; was it by any chance a big bore revolver like a .44 Magnum? Even then, the cylinder gap is not a problem if you hold the gun anywhere near correctly. If you get a .357 Magnum revolver, you can shoot .38 Special ammo which is in the same power range as 9mm and has a very mild recoil, and buy the occasional more expensive box of .357 Magnum for loud scary fun or anticipated zombie attack.

[gdubya]

was it by any chance a big bore revolver like a .44 Magnum? Even then, the cylinder gap is not a problem if you hold the gun anywhere near correctly.

Bigger than that, it was a 500 S&W and they had to work real hard to get their simulated fingers (chicken parts) right next to the cylinder gap. But it did do some impressive damage.

[LarryFlew]

probally heading to the flames here but on a SA/DA 1911 with a hammer

1911s are not DA/SA, they are SA only with safety. IF you want to lower the hammer you have to do so by hand (pull trigger while holding the hammer and lower it) and then you would have to pull the hammer back if you wanted to fire. They are made to be carried cocked and locked.

With DA/SA you can either have a decocker or a safety and rarely both. You would rack to put one in the chamber. If decocker you then decock to half cocked so first pull of trigger is longer but you need not worry about a safety. If not a decocker you can either use it cocked with safety or decock it by hand and use it as DA/SA where first shot is DA. Many DA/SA guns will not allow the safety to be put on safe when in that half cocked or uncocked position so you can't mess it up in emergency situation.