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Re: New Smart Gun

Postby crbutler on Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:39 pm

Just another thing that can go wrong.

Somehow, I think LE and the military will make sure they are exempted from this.

That said, if someone WANTS to buy this, go ahead. I won't.
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Re: New Smart Gun

Postby JohnGageMN on Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:36 pm

mrp wrote:
The company is betting that demand for the technology will increase as consumers seek guns modified for safety]


The company is betting that demand for the technology will increase as they spend money on legislators and lobbying efforts to ensure that their technology becomes mandated in state and then federal law, guaranteeing a marketplace for their product as well as lucrative licensing contracts with any manufacturers wishing to sell firearms in the United States.


Of course! All companies are evil and have no desire to develop new technology that there may be a market for. :roll:

Or maybe they noticed the handwriting on the wall because of all the talk of implementing requirements for tech like this in places like Kalifornistan and thought they'd be innovative and invent a workable technology. Hell, if you want to go the opposite conspiracy direction, maybe they're hoping tech like this will actually open up some new markets that might loosen total gun bans to allow something like this (England, for example).
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Re: New Smart Gun

Postby mrp on Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:33 pm

JohnGageMN wrote:
mrp wrote:
The company is betting that demand for the technology will increase as consumers seek guns modified for safety]


The company is betting that demand for the technology will increase as they spend money on legislators and lobbying efforts to ensure that their technology becomes mandated in state and then federal law, guaranteeing a marketplace for their product as well as lucrative licensing contracts with any manufacturers wishing to sell firearms in the United States.


Of course! All companies are evil and have no desire to develop new technology that there may be a market for. :roll:

Or maybe they noticed the handwriting on the wall because of all the talk of implementing requirements for tech like this in places like Kalifornistan and thought they'd be innovative and invent a workable technology. Hell, if you want to go the opposite conspiracy direction, maybe they're hoping tech like this will actually open up some new markets that might loosen total gun bans to allow something like this (England, for example).


They may be betting on consumers, but if they have decent market research (and I bet they do) they aren't betting too much on that. Their demand is going to come from legislation. As they say on their site:

Legislators in many countries are working on binding provisions to pave the way for new technologies. Armatix’s mechatronic solutions for securing handguns, revolvers and rifles are already charting the course that the entire industry will follow in the years to come.


NJ has a law on the books requiring this sort of technology three years after it's first introduced, so don't think I'm pulling the requirements out of my butt.

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/23 ... ffect-soon

And federal legislation, while it may not be going anywhere soon, is being introduced.

http://www.markey.senate.gov/news/press ... -violence_

I may be a bit cynical after watching how SawStop went from being a great new technology which the inventor just had to release because he couldn't bear to see one more child injured by a table saw to a technology which the inventor did his best to make mandatory while not offering the type of licensing terms which would foster adoption if his real goal was to get the technology into widespread use.
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Re: New Smart Gun

Postby Seismic Sam on Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:17 am

There is a simple solution to this particular fustercluck, and I'm probably losing money giving up the patent rights by saying this, but here it is:

If you take a pet to Europe, or it's a valuable show dog, you have an RFID chip implanted under the skin. Safe, foolproof, and reliable.

OMG!! You want to put RFID chips in humans?? Oh, the HUMANITY!!

Uhh, hate to tell you people, but the above is a moot point since Obama was sworn &*(&&$%&^*(^$%%$&*()&$%&*()!!!!!! in back in 2009. The NSA can give you a digital colonoscopy anytime it wants these days, and nobody will stop them. So once you get past the rage at an innocence that has already been lost, it's a pretty simple and foolproof solution. Put a chip in your gun hand, the electronics in the gun do the rest.
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Re: New Smart Gun

Postby Sorcerer on Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:34 am

Sam, the chip would have to be in both hands or have enough range. The real problem with your idea is that when the BG comes up from behind you and knocks you out/down, when the BG finds your gun, "IF" you don't bleed out, your going to have to live with no hand(s). :(
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Re: New Smart Gun

Postby Erik_Pakieser on Sat Feb 22, 2014 12:04 pm

This product is vaporware, at best. Show me proof it's past the prototype stage (like all other "smart guns").

Until they are readily available, I can't consider it a viable product.

If people are stupid enough to pay almost $2000 for a poorly-designed .22, they deserve to lose their money.
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Re: New Smart Gun

Postby azonesolutions on Sat Feb 22, 2014 1:03 pm

Stupid concept, guns need to be dangerous. This a gun I want my adversary to use. To quote John Farnam, "A gun that is perfectly safe is perfectly useless."
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Re: New Smart Gun

Postby PHATSPEED7x on Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:04 pm

The only "smart" gun is the one I'm holding in my hand... While defending myself against the greatest threat the world has ever known...
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Re: New Smart Gun

Postby Pat Cannon on Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:04 pm

azonesolutions wrote:Stupid concept, guns need to be dangerous.

Yep, this.
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Re: New Smart Gun

Postby Nougat on Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:18 pm

Seismic Sam wrote:all that.



if your guns needed to be unlocked by your chip you're supposedly willing to accept, you don't think that the activator could be disabled from an outside source rendering all firearms the population is allowed to own if this crap was allowed to be made the standard useless? sounds fair for a population who is supposedly allowed to be on the same page as any possible threat to them, that is if they are actually supposed to be completely disarmed?

:? criminals would abide and not find a way to get the tech that disabled your activator either...so when would your gun still be useful for anything?

edit: maybe you guys do trolling too? :) I mean that is what you were doing right?
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Beyond guns..."i-people"

Postby Rodentman on Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:32 am

Pretty soon there will be "I-people." Newborns will have their chip installed at birth. It will be their programmable with their SSN, phone number, bank accounts etc. It will have a microphone and tie in to the brain, so it will take the place of the fart phone, credit cards, money, etc. You will just wave your wrist in front of the scanners at the bank, GS, Dr, etc, and all pertinent transactions will be made.

There will be no 4473 form since all your data will be in your chip. If you try to remove it you will be blown up. The gov't will know where you are, what you buy at the store and so on.

Maybe aside from the tie in to the brain, I think all this can be done right now.
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Re: New Smart Gun

Postby igofast on Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:01 am

I have seen this article make its way around. The thing I don't understand is how they got around microstamping. Additionally, it's not on the CA DOJ list of approved firearms. I'm thinking this a free publicity at it's finest - they ship 1 gun to a California gun store, where you can't purchase it - and everyone goes crazy. Now, where can I get some of those super cool CNC machined bullets...
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