Any folks here know or buy reloads from ron in bloomington

[xd ED]

I'm just curious.

Lets assume a round does blow up and causes injury? How does one go about proving that it was the ammo that was purchased from this guy in Bloomington? I assume its all cash and no paperwork, how do you prove this?

Just a guess, but I suspect most dies leave unique markings on brass. The same powder, primer, and bullet combination would be circumstantial; as would be an intimate knowledge of the guy's house, equipment, methods of doing business.
I would think the guy would be put on the defensive early on if it's less than legit operation.

[Seismic Sam]

I'm just curious.

Lets assume a round does blow up and causes injury? How does one go about proving that it was the ammo that was purchased from this guy in Bloomington? I assume its all cash and no paperwork, how do you prove this?

Good point, and there's another one on the other side of the fence which is even a further reason why a handloader wouldn't want to sell ammo to strangers: Suppose you sell ammo to some complete doofus, your ammo is fine, but he drops the gun and gets mud in the barrel, and then pulls the trigger and the gun blows up in his face?? Or suppose he mixes your ammo in a bag with some other yahoo's ammo that has squibs and/or double charges in it?? The list goes on and on.

[Erud]

Hey Sam,
On sunday night, my stepson stepped on a razor blade that his wife had dropped on the floor of their bathroom and cut his foot pretty deep. Not sure why the razor blade was there in the first place, but she's 33 weeks pregnant, so I suppose picking stuff up off the floor isn't her favorite thing to do these days. Anyways, he cleaned up his foot, put some band-aids on it and went to bed. On Monday, he said it was a little funky looking, but he didn't think too much of it and just changed the band-aids and went about his business. Fast-forward to yesterday morning: he wakes up with a fever, and a throbbing, oozing foot wound with red lines starting to spread from the cut. He goes to the doctor who diagnoses it as cellulitis, and after cleaning everything out, puts him on a pretty serious 10-day antibiotic regimen. The doc told him that if he would have waited even 12 hours to come in, things would have started getting very interesting for him.

Now he's not a reloader, and not really interested in guns at all(don't know about the doctor), but I think that there is a lesson to be learned from this. I feel like with your flair for the dramatic, we could turn this into a top-notch "dangers of reloading" parable. So what do you say, will you help me write it? I'll see if he can send me some pics of the foot, and we can roast the hell out of some pathetic noobs with it.

Let me know if you're on board.

Let's do this.

[Seismic Sam]

Not necessary. There are plenty of really gory reloading pics on the internet, and if you get the search phrase right they all come up together.

Here's a goodie:



If you insist on me starring in one of these photographs, seeing as you have chosen the subject of foot injury, I can help you out with that too:



The doctor got the pin out by grabbing it with a pair of visegrips and twisting it back and forth and pulling on it like a M-effer..... Enjoy the rest of your day with that inside your head...

[Ghost]

Not necessary. There are plenty of really gory reloading pics on the internet, and if you get the search phrase right they all come up together.

Here's a goodie:

Can you provide some background on why this guy will no longer be able to flip people off? For all I know he was working on a snowblower.

[OldmanFCSA]

Not necessary. There are plenty of really gory reloading pics on the internet, and if you get the search phrase right they all come up together.

Here's a goodie:

Can you provide some background on why this guy will no longer be able to flip people off? For all I know he was working on a snowblower.

Not entirely sure, but I think that picture was associated with the soldier that used a 50BMG loaded round as a hammer, striking the primer and having the round go off in his hand.

The pictures associated with 50BMG target rifles blowing up from OOBD are less graphic.

But SSam loves using these pictures.

If you want gore, I will take the bandages off my left leg, take a pic and post it. 5 years of open wounds. 15 surgeries later. 3 Wound Clinics, 7 specialists, 2 surgeons that want to take the leg off. Still got it - still walking, though more slowly.

[Ghost]

Not entirely sure, but I think that picture was associated with the soldier that used a 50BMG loaded round as a hammer, striking the primer and having the round go off in his hand.

Well I'm not sure if a 50BMG hammer counts as a reloading mishap.

The decision on posting more gore is up to you gore doesn't bother me.

[Seismic Sam]

If my memory is better than yours, you guys are in BIG trouble - AFAIK, this was a double EFF up involving a 37 or 40mm grenade launcher with a "bird bomb" charge of tannerite, (to drive the birds out of fruit groves) and the driving charge underneath it which really caused the problem. Turns out the propelling charge is ungodly light, like 4 grains of Herco or even less, and the doofus effed that up and the whole thing went off at once.

If you want straight up absolute mangled idiot photo with just a rifle cartridge, there is one out there of some idiot who was using Blue Dot powder in a 257 Weatherby as a reduced charge. That's a Darwin award right there. His wife came into the room, distracted him for a second, and he threw a double charge of Blue Dot in a 257 Wby case. It blew the rifle completely apart, and his hand looked slightly better than the picture posted, but not much.

Why are we debating the fact that reloading mistakes can result in gruesome catastrophic permanent injuries?? Either somebody doesn't like to smell the coffee, or they are on vacation in Egypt and neck deep in De Nile, and insulted that anybody suggest that it could ever happen to THEM, because they are too smart or too careful to be somebody THAT dumb.

[OldmanFCSA]

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[jshuberg]

Freedom munitions is similarly priced and often has free shipping.

Freedom Munitions is crap. I've bought a couple cases where the brass wasn't properly resized, and either wouldn't fully chamber, or needed to be pounded out with a wooden dowel and a hammer to get it out of the chamber after firing. OAL carries pretty significantly as well. It's bottom of the barrel, shoot it when you can't find anything else ammo.

[Ghost]

Freedom munitions is similarly priced and often has free shipping.

Freedom Munitions is crap. I've bought a couple cases where the brass wasn't properly resized, and either wouldn't fully chamber, or needed to be pounded out with a wooden dowel and a hammer to get it out of the chamber after firing. OAL carries pretty significantly as well. It's bottom of the barrel, shoot it when you can't find anything else ammo.

I wasn't that impressed with what I bought from them but every round has shot fine for me. I'd still rather trust them than some random guy.

[OldmanFCSA]

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[Ghost]

I disagree, and these thoughts will be interpreted incorrectly.

I may not have been clear from my freedom munitions reman experience I won't buy anymore, it worked for me but I'd rather pay the premium for non mixed head stamp brass from a better brand manufacturer. Pricing wise the new manufacture stuff from them is in the ballpark from random guy so no need for the reman if the budget minded want to use them. As I said I won't buy from freedom again, I also reload and have had no problems reloading their brass, but I think paying more for federal, Remington, Winchester, Hornady etc is well worth it.

[DoxaPar]

For the last few years I've read Sam's reloading horror stories, saw the gory pictures and heard about his missing fingers.

And now I find out it's because of a snow blower accident? I gotta say.. I'm a little disappointed.

[xd ED]

Over the years many/ most of the incidents Sam has posted were nothing to do with his personal injury.
The ones that got my attention were the pools of blood on the shooters benches.