My response to "Community Impact Statement"

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My response to "Community Impact Statement"

Postby Lumpy on Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:24 pm

I've signed up to automatically receive police reports, so occasionally I'll get notices about various denizens of the 4th precinct, and requests for feedback on their impact on the community. I recently received the following (abbreviated):
Defendant: PRENTISS JUSTIN HODGES
On June 25, 2014, at approximately 2322 hours, Minneapolis Police were dispatched to the Vend-Awash car wash located at 3015 Chicago Ave S. in Minneapolis, Hennepin County, Minnesota on a report of a man with a gun. Officers received information that an employee of the car wash was in possession of a hand gun. The employee was described as a black male, approximately 5’ 6” tall, medium build, short haircut and wearing a red & black cap. When Officers arrived, they set up surveillance outside the car wash and observed an individual later identified as PRENTISS JUSTIN HODGES, DOB: 8/1/77, the defendant herein, who matched the description provided. Officers monitored him and observed he was carrying a black/grey backpack. When the defendant set the backpack down and walked away, Officers approached and made contact with the defendant. Officers searched the backpack and found a loaded Bryco Arms semi-automatic 9mm handgun, serial # 1405844 and ammunition inside of the backpack. The defendant immediately stated, “I know I’m not supposed to have a gun.” Officers asked the defendant if he had a permit to carry and he stated “No.” The Defendant was placed under arrest and transported to the Hennepin County jail.
In a post-Miranda interview, the defendant admitted to possessing the handgun and that he had purchased the gun two months ago from a guy on the street for $200.00. The Defendant stated that he kept the gun on him for protection. The defendant was previously convicted of possessing a pistol without a permit on two occasions.


Also, when I clicked on the link to get more info, I got the following:
4th Pct Police Reports since 2003: 1
Total City Wide Arrests since 1995: 9
Prior Convictions: 3º DWI, Interference With Transit Operator, Possess or Own Other Weapon, Open Bottle, DAR, False Information to Police, Carry Pistol Without a Permit, Obstructing Legal Process, Disorderly Conduct

Now I know nothing about the accused personally; he might be a nice guy, or he might be a major felony waiting to happen. But since all I had to go on was the info you see, I submitted the following:
PLEASE DESCRIBE HOW THE INDIVIDUAL’S ACTIONS AFFECTED YOU, YOUR PROPERTY, OR YOUR BUSINESS (you may use more space than below if needed)

Mr. Hodges actions had zero impact on me, my property, or my business. I did want to say that I can hardly blame anyone for wanting to be armed on Chicago Ave S; and that Mr.Hodges’ ineligibility to possess a handgun has become a case of circular logic. In light of Mr. Hodges' previous convictions for fairly minor offenses, I would suggest that probation and a restoration of eligibility to apply for a carry permit would be the appropriate action.
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Re: My response to "Community Impact Statement"

Postby connsolo on Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:18 pm

Why?
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Re: My response to "Community Impact Statement"

Postby SparkyJeff on Sun Dec 14, 2014 9:21 am

I didn't realize that car wash was open at 11:30 on a Wednesday night.
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Re: My response to "Community Impact Statement"

Postby LePetomane on Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:08 am

Is he any relation to the Minneapolis mayor?
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Re: My response to "Community Impact Statement"

Postby 20mm on Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:52 am

SparkyJeff wrote:I didn't realize that car wash was open at 11:30 on a Wednesday night.


http://www.vend-a-wash.com/

It's not a car wash, it's a laundry mat located on a main street with other businesses.

The laundry mat was closed at that time:

MONDAY- OPEN 24 HOURS
TUESDAY- OPEN 24 HOURS
WEDNESDAY- CLOSED AT 9:30 P.M.
THURSDAY- 7:00 AM TO 9:30 P.M.
FRIDAY- OPEN AT 7:00 A.M.
SATURDAY- OPEN 24 HOURS
SUNDAY- OPEN 24 HOURS


The guy has had all these charges filed against him exuding the new one/s:

THEFT
DISORDERLY CONDUCT
CONSUMING ALCOHOL BY MINOR
OBSTRUCTING LEGAL PROCESS
CARRY PISTOL WITHOUT A PERMIT
DWI 4/ALCOHOL
FALSE INFORMATION TO POLICE
DRIVING AFTER REVOCATION
DISORDERLY CONDUCT
OPEN BOTTLE
LOITER W/INT
POSSESS OR OWN OTHER WEAPON Not applicable - GOC
Interference With Transit Operator Not applicable - GOC
efusal to Submit to Chemical Test- 2nd Deg
DWI of Alcohol-3rd Deg
Possession of Marijuana in a Motor Vehicle
Driving After Revocation


Why would you want this person carrying a pistol again?
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Re: My response to "Community Impact Statement"

Postby Grayskies on Sun Dec 14, 2014 6:34 pm

Well, on principle I believe everyone has a right to self-defense.

This person has done themselves no favors though, I would have trouble trusting this person with a P2C.

Most of the charges (if that is the correct word?) seem to be related to alcohol dependence.
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Re: My response to "Community Impact Statement"

Postby Seismic Sam on Sun Dec 14, 2014 7:28 pm

I'm sorry, but do you believe Charles Manson or The Green River Killer have the right to self defense "on principle"??? The 2nd Amendment is NOT intended to cover every nut job, psycho, Islamic terrorist. drunk, tweaker, hype, and pedophile out there! The 2A is for LAW ABIDING CITIZENS!! You break the laws multiple times, you LOSE those rights!! Would YOU accept someone like that to baby sit YOUR kids for a night?? Practice what you preach, brother!!
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Re: My response to "Community Impact Statement"

Postby Grayskies on Sun Dec 14, 2014 8:28 pm

Seismic Sam wrote:I'm sorry, but do you believe Charles Manson or The Green River Killer have the right to self defense "on principle"??? The 2nd Amendment is NOT intended to cover every nut job, psycho, Islamic terrorist. drunk, tweaker, hype, and pedophile out there! The 2A is for LAW ABIDING CITIZENS!! You break the laws multiple times, you LOSE those rights!! Would YOU accept someone like that to baby sit YOUR kids for a night?? Practice what you preach, brother!!

A life is a life, and Manson did not kill anyone with a gun, he used the 1st A for that. This state also issues P2Cs to people with DWIs.

I did not say the person should be able to get a P2C, just that we all have the right to defend ourselves. As a society we have decided that people who commit violent misdemeanors and felonies are stripped of their 2nd A rights. This country has so many crimes on it books that it is becoming impossible (for most people) to know them all, and the number keeps growing.

In Washington state just handing a gun to a friend and them handing it back is a felony, would you strip a permit holder of their P2C for that felony? I think a discussion of where to draw the line is perfectly valid.

There are people serving time in some states for acts of justifiable self-defense, it is why one state (new mexico I think or arizona) changed their self-defense law, it is why we need stand your ground law here. There are lots of other examples of people simply running afowl of poorly writen or unjust laws, having a bad lawyer or over zealous prosecutor.

Appearently simply being "aware" of you surroundings in the mall of america can get a report of your behavior sent to homeland security, and get you placed on the no fly list. I do believe one person recently was convicted of domestic violence for throwing a big mac at their spouse.

Not everyone out there with a criminal record is a serial killer, or a terrorist or even a bad person.

I do practice what I preach, I believe that all life has a right to self-defense, I would strip no one of that right. Though confining a person like Manson is correct as well.
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Re: My response to "Community Impact Statement"

Postby Randygmn on Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:10 am

I have no problem denying someone their right to bear arms if throughout their lives they have demonstrated they are unfit to do so. If any of these crimes rise to the level of a felony, that should be enough. If after the punishment is complete, this person decides to apply to have his rights restored, I'm confident that our system will demand that he demonstrate worthiness. This may take years of abiding by our community standards by becoming a productive member of society through employment without any criminal recidivism. Anyone who supports a known criminal in their desire to own/carry a firearm does society an incredible disservice.
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Re: My response to "Community Impact Statement"

Postby andrewP on Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:24 am

Grayskies wrote:Appearently simply being "aware" of you surroundings in the mall of america can get a report of your behavior sent to homeland security, and get you placed on the no fly list.


What, precisely, are you referring to here? I try not to be in that mall if I can avoid it in general, but when there, as anywhere, I try to be aware of my surroundings, so you've got me curious what you mean by this comment.
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Re: My response to "Community Impact Statement"

Postby Grayskies on Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:17 am

I am not advocating giving anyone disqualified a P2C, I do believe we have to many laws with more being added all the time.

Washington State's newest piece of gun control is a prime example of a poorly writen law. Personally I am starting to suspect that the anti-gun crowd (Bloomberg and friends) purposefully wrote this law in a way to strip gun oweners of their 2nd A rights by making the law so vague and confusing that even a lawyer couldn't help a gun owner navigate it.

I also believe that there are people who were wrongly or unjustly convicted of crimes, I am not sure how this could possibly be unknown. For example most if not all of the wave of pedophiles janet reno prosecuted in day cares were later overturned as the psyc doctors were found to have been manipulating the children's testomony. Though people pressured into a plea deal were unable to get that over turned.

I just think that perhaps before going balistic or grabbing pick forks and torches you might want to consider the internet site the back ground check was pull from might be wrong because stuff on the internet is never wrong? Also that the government records might be wrong because the government is never wrong? And lastly that the criminal just system could not be wrong as they are never wrong and have never comvicted an inocent person?

Opps forgot the news media might be wrong too...

I still believe that a life has a right to defend it self, and a P2C or a gun is not the only way to do that. For example pepper spray, a knife, a baton, a self defense course, judo, martial arts, running away, dialing 911, etc...
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Re: My response to "Community Impact Statement"

Postby Grayskies on Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:29 am

andrewP wrote:
Grayskies wrote:Appearently simply being "aware" of you surroundings in the mall of america can get a report of your behavior sent to homeland security, and get you placed on the no fly list.


What, precisely, are you referring to here? I try not to be in that mall if I can avoid it in general, but when there, as anywhere, I try to be aware of my surroundings, so you've got me curious what you mean by this comment.

News story a several years back on TV about a tourist who ended up on the no-fly list because of a report writen by mall of america security because the guy was paying to much attention to what was going on around him.

MOA security has close ties to homeland security, why I haven't a clue, but according to the news story that guy was not the 1st or the last.

I tend to be a tad hyper vigilant so I will not go to MOA again, YMMV, IANAL, best I can remember from my aging gray brain.
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My response to "Community Impact Statement"

Postby Ron Burgundy on Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:49 am

Lol wut
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Re: My response to

Postby Grayskies on Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:08 am

Ron Burgundy wrote:Lol wut


under-suspicion-at-the-mall-of-america
http://www.npr.org/2011/09/07/140234451 ... of-america

You might be a terrorist if you take a photo or film at Mall of America
http://www.networkworld.com/article/222 ... erica.html

There are others too if that is not good enough, enjoy the read :)
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Re: My response to "Community Impact Statement"

Postby UnaStamus on Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:45 pm

Lake St. and Chicago Ave S is 3rd Precinct, and is a high crime area for robberies, prostitution and heroin and crack dealing. It's also claimed by the 10's Bloods, but disputed by the Rolling 20's. Laundromats at late hours are where people do their drug business because it's easy to hide/ditch dope, and there's always an excuse to be there at any hour. Much easier than explaining why you're standing at the corner of an intersection at 1am and have been for the past two hours. It's also easier to defend yourself from an attack or drug robbery.

There's always a back story. This is not to mention the fact that someone buying a gun like that is illegal, and more often than not, the gun was obtained illegally from someone else; be it stolen or a straw purchase. Our goal as gun owners should be to advocate for harsher penalties for gun crimes, and it has been a platform that the NRA has been vocally supportive of. The whole "enforce the laws already on the books, don't make new ones" thing. This is one of those times when the laws on the books are being enforced.

If anyone is advocating for someone who routinely hangs out at Lake/Chicago for anything other than employment reasons to be able to carry a gun, they must not be spending much time there after hours.
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