Officer kills armed 18-year-old near Ferguson

[brad3579]

St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar said the officer was questioning the 18-year-old and another man about a theft late Tuesday at a convenience store in Berkeley when the young man pulled a 9mm handgun on him. The officer stumbled backward but fired three shots, one of which struck the victim, Belmar said.

Orlando Brown, 36, of nearby St. Charles was among the protesters.

"I understand police officers have a job and have an obligation to go home to their families at the end of the night," he said. "But do you have to treat every situation with lethal force? ... It's not a racial issue, or black or white. It's wrong or right."

The chief said some protesters questioned why the officer couldn't use pepper spray or a stun gun.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/officer-kills-armed-18-year-old-near-ferguson/ar-BBhaJGD

It is hard to believe that people actually think this way.

[greenfarmer]

St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar said the officer was questioning the 18-year-old and another man about a theft late Tuesday at a convenience store in Berkeley when the young man pulled a 9mm handgun on him. The officer stumbled backward but fired three shots, one of which struck the victim, Belmar said.

Orlando Brown, 36, of nearby St. Charles was among the protesters.

"I understand police officers have a job and have an obligation to go home to their families at the end of the night," he said. "But do you have to treat every situation with lethal force? ... It's not a racial issue, or black or white. It's wrong or right."

The chief said some protesters questioned why the officer couldn't use pepper spray or a stun gun.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/officer-kills-armed-18-year-old-near-ferguson/ar-BBhaJGD

It is hard to believe that people actually think this way.

So many things wrong here!!!!!!

The part where this person said... "I understand police officers have a job and have an obligation to go home to their families at the end of the night," he said. "But do you have to treat every situation with lethal force? ... It's not a racial issue, or black or white. It's wrong or right." Really? You have to question that? What is the officer supposed to do, when an 18 year old kid, being questioned about something decides to pull a gun? You bet your butt he better shoot!

What is an 18 year old doing with a 9mm handgun? How did he illegally obtain this?

What is his mom doing on the scene, and identifying him, and him carrying a 9mm? Where in the world is the parental guidance?

What is this kid doing getting so bent out of shape in the presence of an officer, and his mom not stepping in to calm him down? What is he doing getting so bent out of shape in front of his mom? In front of the police? WAS THIS KID BROUGHT UP IN A HOME THAT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND RESPECTING YOUR ELDERS, AND PEOPLE OF AUTHORITY?

This isn't a "black vs white" issue... It is something way deeper.. It's something where parenting skills, how people are brought up, and the government not stepping up and stopping the breeding of people who are on welfare, food stamps and stuff like that.. I'm sorry, but if your living in poverty, on welfare, and food stamps, can't pull your pants up, and run around like a gang banger, your parent's, and you should not be allowed to breed... And i'm not saying this as an anti black campaign. I've saw plenty of whites like this too. All these people are is a burden on society.. I remember when people used to kill for those Starter Jackets years and years ago.. It's all the same garbage.. Gang banger wannabee's... None of them should be allowed to breed, because all they do is add another mouth for us to feed.

So now because of this whole situation, we will endure more protests, or displays of destruction. These aren't protests. They are merely just parades of destruction. We will endure more people being hurt, shot, killed. More mom and pop local stores and businesses destroyed because these people lack the knowledge and common sense to realize that their display of destruction doesn't help, it doesn't solve any problems, it doesn't give any recourse to anyone. All it does is show them for the lack of common sense they have, lack of education and guidance they have lived with. And the reason that their parent's shouldn't be allowed to breed.

Edit to add.....

Protesters are questioning why the officer couldn't use pepper spray??? Really? So a punk 18 year old kid, with an illegal 9mm gun, coming out of his jeans or however these punks hide them, and the officer is supposed to say i'm sorry sir, hold on while I get my pepper spray and spray you so nobody get's hurt. As soon as I spray you and take away your illegally gotten 9mm, I will then reward you by taking you to mcdonalds for a happy meal, since you gave me the chance to not have to pull my weapon and shoot you, but gave me enough time to pull my pepper spray out and spray you with it.

Really? Are people that stupid?????

I don't particularly care for run in's with law enforcement. Seems if you are having a run in with them, you did something wrong. But you know what..... You don't wanna die, don't pull a gun on one! Have a permit to legally carry one! and if your getting stopped, or questioned, show them your permit, and tell them your carrying. You won't have an issue!

[Spartan]

Merry Christmas Al and Jessie.... Keep on hating and preaching your racism. You got another kid killed with your hate!

[greenfarmer]

I just watched the CNN video talk about it.... Shows a lot of people who are living on borrowed time, and aren't very bright...

Throwing exploding things, and stuff like that, AT A GAS STATION, where their are fumes, and gas present....

The proof is in the pudding ladies and gentleman.... These people of the greater St. Louis area, are a few fries short of a happy meal!

[Mauser98]

.. I'm sorry, but if your living in poverty, on welfare, and food stamps, can't pull your pants up, and run around like a gang banger, your parent's, and you should not be allowed to breed...

Wow, I agree with much of your post, but this is...I don't even know how to respond.......

[Greg]

This from NPR of all places...

Antonio Martin was the oldest of Martin-Green's children. His father, Jerome Green, told the Post-Dispatch Wednesday, "He's like any other kid who had dreams or hopes," adding, "We loved being around him."

The newspaper notes, "Police say the man shot had a criminal record, with charges including three assaults, armed robbery, armed criminal action and multiple uses of weapons since he was 17."

His family responds that Antonio Martin had been arrested, and had "stumbled" in the past.

"In the last year, he was really trying to find who he was. He was ready to take the world on," Green said.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/201 ... -s-parents

Almost word for word,,,Good kid, just getting his life together!

I guess my question would be, what was he doing running around loose and out of jail?

[Randygmn]

Laughing at the liberals who keep asking why these "pigs" shoot to kill. "Why can't they shoot him in the hand holding the gun"? This thug finally "found" himself. He's currently right where he belongs. He was taught by his parents to play stupid games. Seems fitting that he got to claim his prize while his mother looked on.

[greenfarmer]

.. I'm sorry, but if your living in poverty, on welfare, and food stamps, can't pull your pants up, and run around like a gang banger, your parent's, and you should not be allowed to breed...

Wow, I agree with much of your post, but this is...I don't even know how to respond.......

Are you saying you "SUPPORT" the ones of poverty and laziness? The ones who won't go one inch out of their way to help themselves? The ones who won't put an effort forth in this world to become the best they can be? The ones who feel that because the "drug kingpin" in their neighborhood is the one they want to be when they grow up, so they follow in that persons footsteps, and they should also be allowed to have more children so they can continually raise them in the wrong way? Continually having children that we are paying to support because they won't help themselves, they won't go out of their own way to get a job, and become a member of society, and a productive member at that? Are you condoning their lifestyle of getting their hands on guns, which have serial numbers ground off, and using them to commit crimes. People like that, have no right to have children! If they can't simply help themselves, and support themselves, then they have no right to have children and make us support both them and their children. And yes, there is a difference. If you won't go out into the world, and try to better yourself. Try to find a job and support yourself, try to put yourself into a better situation, if your just plain lazy and feel the system and government "owe" you, and you don't need to try, then no, you don't deserve to breed! If your someone that tries, that applies for jobs, holds a minimum wage job, and tries your best at life, trying to succeed and change your path, trying your best to support yourself, and family, but just can't do it. And need a little government help. But you don't take advantage of the system. I do have some sympathy for you. But taking advantage of the system, i'm sorry... You don't need to be allowed to continue on your legacy of being a burden, and wanting to be the next drug lord in your community, running around assaulting people, robbing people... NO WAY!

It's no different than the people who are getting so much public assistance, and yet, a good portion of that money is used on drugs! All we are doing is enabling them! Which is a big waste of time and money. Us working hard, holding down a job, supporting our family, and also supporting them! To me, that's an unneeded burden on society, and something that needs to be stopped! When they take the assistance we give them, use 50% of it on drugs, but are still on welfare and having children, because they sold themselves to their local drug supplier because they couldn't afford their "fix" this week, so they sold their body for it. And now we are supporting another one of them. No way! I'm sorry! They shouldn't be allowed to breed!

Now look at what has happened here. This kid was using weapons for assault and burglary.. His days were numbered. In the direction he was going, he was either going to make it to 30 and be on the streets, selling drugs and who knows what. Or he was going to make it to 30 and be behind bars. Or he was going to have to face the outcome that just happened. But it's dumb. Does anyone think this police officer woke up that morning, went to work, and in the back of his mind was thinking... I'm going to kill a criminal today. No! Ask anyone. Nobody ever wants to live with the fact of having to take another persons life! NOBODY! And this LEO is going to have to live with that for the rest of his life. Knowing he shot and killed a young kid. Nobody is going to emphasize the fact that he did what he had to do. And he also took someone off the street, (not the way he would have liked to), that could have caused more destruction, or death to innocent people in the future. Ask any officer. They will all tell you that if they have the option, they would much rather be able to question or arrest someone peacefully. There's not a single one here that goes to work hoping he get's to use his service weapon. That Is another reason why these criminals shouldn't be allowed to breed.

Obama and Sharpton and their cronies want to take our RIGHTS away, our guns away, our methods of protection. I say no! I want to take a criminals right to breed away! If your going to be a criminal, and try to take things away from us, our rights, and our liberties, then no way! We should take your right to breed away, so you can't bring up more children when you can't even support yourself and put yourself on the straight and narrow, then why should you be allowed to bring children into this world, and raise them in that kind of environment. If you yourself can't distinguish right from wrong, then what in the world makes you think you can teach your children right from wrong!?!?!?

[Lumpy]

My answer to anyone who would ask "why did you kill him over a pair of shoes?" would be "he was ready to kill me over a pair of shoes".

[Erud]

.. I'm sorry, but if your living in poverty, on welfare, and food stamps, can't pull your pants up, and run around like a gang banger, your parent's, and you should not be allowed to breed...

Wow, I agree with much of your post, but this is...I don't even know how to respond.......

Are you saying you "SUPPORT" the ones of poverty and laziness? The ones who won't go one inch out of their way to help themselves? The ones who won't put an effort forth in this world to become the best they can be? The ones who feel that because the "drug kingpin" in their neighborhood is the one they want to be when they grow up, so they follow in that persons footsteps, and they should also be allowed to have more children so they can continually raise them in the wrong way? Continually having children that we are paying to support because they won't help themselves, they won't go out of their own way to get a job, and become a member of society, and a productive member at that? Are you condoning their lifestyle of getting their hands on guns, which have serial numbers ground off, and using them to commit crimes. People like that, have no right to have children! If they can't simply help themselves, and support themselves, then they have no right to have children and make us support both them and their children. And yes, there is a difference. If you won't go out into the world, and try to better yourself. Try to find a job and support yourself, try to put yourself into a better situation, if your just plain lazy and feel the system and government "owe" you, and you don't need to try, then no, you don't deserve to breed! If your someone that tries, that applies for jobs, holds a minimum wage job, and tries your best at life, trying to succeed and change your path, trying your best to support yourself, and family, but just can't do it. And need a little government help. But you don't take advantage of the system. I do have some sympathy for you. But taking advantage of the system, i'm sorry... You don't need to be allowed to continue on your legacy of being a burden, and wanting to be the next drug lord in your community, running around assaulting people, robbing people... NO WAY!

It's no different than the people who are getting so much public assistance, and yet, a good portion of that money is used on drugs! All we are doing is enabling them! Which is a big waste of time and money. Us working hard, holding down a job, supporting our family, and also supporting them! To me, that's an unneeded burden on society, and something that needs to be stopped! When they take the assistance we give them, use 50% of it on drugs, but are still on welfare and having children, because they sold themselves to their local drug supplier because they couldn't afford their "fix" this week, so they sold their body for it. And now we are supporting another one of them. No way! I'm sorry! They shouldn't be allowed to breed!

Now look at what has happened here. This kid was using weapons for assault and burglary.. His days were numbered. In the direction he was going, he was either going to make it to 30 and be on the streets, selling drugs and who knows what. Or he was going to make it to 30 and be behind bars. Or he was going to have to face the outcome that just happened. But it's dumb. Does anyone think this police officer woke up that morning, went to work, and in the back of his mind was thinking... I'm going to kill a criminal today. No! Ask anyone. Nobody ever wants to live with the fact of having to take another persons life! NOBODY! And this LEO is going to have to live with that for the rest of his life. Knowing he shot and killed a young kid. Nobody is going to emphasize the fact that he did what he had to do. And he also took someone off the street, (not the way he would have liked to), that could have caused more destruction, or death to innocent people in the future. Ask any officer. They will all tell you that if they have the option, they would much rather be able to question or arrest someone peacefully. There's not a single one here that goes to work hoping he get's to use his service weapon. That Is another reason why these criminals shouldn't be allowed to breed.

Obama and Sharpton and their cronies want to take our RIGHTS away, our guns away, our methods of protection. I say no! I want to take a criminals right to breed away! If your going to be a criminal, and try to take things away from us, our rights, and our liberties, then no way! We should take your right to breed away, so you can't bring up more children when you can't even support yourself and put yourself on the straight and narrow, then why should you be allowed to bring children into this world, and raise them in that kind of environment. If you yourself can't distinguish right from wrong, then what in the world makes you think you can teach your children right from wrong!?!?!?

Perhaps a better solution might be to stop giving them public assistance? Being able to prohibit citizens from having children is not a power I'd be comfortable with the government having.

[Mauser98]

.. I'm sorry, but if your living in poverty, on welfare, and food stamps, can't pull your pants up, and run around like a gang banger, your parent's, and you should not be allowed to breed...

Wow, I agree with much of your post, but this is...I don't even know how to respond.......

Are you saying you "SUPPORT" the ones of poverty and laziness? The ones who won't go one inch out of their way to help themselves? The ones who won't put an effort forth in this world to become the best they can be? The ones who feel that because the "drug kingpin" in their neighborhood is the one they want to be when they grow up, so they follow in that persons footsteps, and they should also be allowed to have more children so they can continually raise them in the wrong way? Continually having children that we are paying to support because they won't help themselves, they won't go out of their own way to get a job, and become a member of society, and a productive member at that? Are you condoning their lifestyle of getting their hands on guns, which have serial numbers ground off, and using them to commit crimes. People like that, have no right to have children! If they can't simply help themselves, and support themselves, then they have no right to have children and make us support both them and their children. And yes, there is a difference. If you won't go out into the world, and try to better yourself. Try to find a job and support yourself, try to put yourself into a better situation, if your just plain lazy and feel the system and government "owe" you, and you don't need to try, then no, you don't deserve to breed! If your someone that tries, that applies for jobs, holds a minimum wage job, and tries your best at life, trying to succeed and change your path, trying your best to support yourself, and family, but just can't do it. And need a little government help. But you don't take advantage of the system. I do have some sympathy for you. But taking advantage of the system, i'm sorry... You don't need to be allowed to continue on your legacy of being a burden, and wanting to be the next drug lord in your community, running around assaulting people, robbing people... NO WAY!

It's no different than the people who are getting so much public assistance, and yet, a good portion of that money is used on drugs! All we are doing is enabling them! Which is a big waste of time and money. Us working hard, holding down a job, supporting our family, and also supporting them! To me, that's an unneeded burden on society, and something that needs to be stopped! When they take the assistance we give them, use 50% of it on drugs, but are still on welfare and having children, because they sold themselves to their local drug supplier because they couldn't afford their "fix" this week, so they sold their body for it. And now we are supporting another one of them. No way! I'm sorry! They shouldn't be allowed to breed!

Now look at what has happened here. This kid was using weapons for assault and burglary.. His days were numbered. In the direction he was going, he was either going to make it to 30 and be on the streets, selling drugs and who knows what. Or he was going to make it to 30 and be behind bars. Or he was going to have to face the outcome that just happened. But it's dumb. Does anyone think this police officer woke up that morning, went to work, and in the back of his mind was thinking... I'm going to kill a criminal today. No! Ask anyone. Nobody ever wants to live with the fact of having to take another persons life! NOBODY! And this LEO is going to have to live with that for the rest of his life. Knowing he shot and killed a young kid. Nobody is going to emphasize the fact that he did what he had to do. And he also took someone off the street, (not the way he would have liked to), that could have caused more destruction, or death to innocent people in the future. Ask any officer. They will all tell you that if they have the option, they would much rather be able to question or arrest someone peacefully. There's not a single one here that goes to work hoping he get's to use his service weapon. That Is another reason why these criminals shouldn't be allowed to breed.

Obama and Sharpton and their cronies want to take our RIGHTS away, our guns away, our methods of protection. I say no! I want to take a criminals right to breed away! If your going to be a criminal, and try to take things away from us, our rights, and our liberties, then no way! We should take your right to breed away, so you can't bring up more children when you can't even support yourself and put yourself on the straight and narrow, then why should you be allowed to bring children into this world, and raise them in that kind of environment. If you yourself can't distinguish right from wrong, then what in the world makes you think you can teach your children right from wrong!?!?!?

I'm pretty sure the only thing I disagreed with was your statement on taking away someones right to "Breed" as you put it. I never said anything about supporting the lazy and unmotivated people that are abusing the system. The only sure way to prevent someone from procreating is to sterilize them. And who do you suggest be the one that decides who is sterilized, the government? Sounds like a slippery slope when we allow the government to decide who can, and can not procreate.

[Mauser98]

Perhaps a better solution might be to stop giving them public assistance? Being able to prohibit citizens from having children is not a power I'd be comfortable with the government having.

Bingo!!

[jgalt]

.. I'm sorry, but if your living in poverty, on welfare, and food stamps, can't pull your pants up, and run around like a gang banger, your parent's, and you should not be allowed to breed...

Wow, I agree with much of your post, but this is...I don't even know how to respond.......

Are you saying ...<snip

TL;DR...

The issue is specificly with the following words:

should not be allowed to breed

The only way to "not allow" someone to breed is via the threat or use of physical force. I suspect Mauser98 is objecting to giving the government the authority to implement this and nothing more. I'm hoping you aren't actually advocating eugenics, but that's sure how what you wrote reads...

FYI - just because someone doesn't favor "disallowing" specific individuals from "breeding" doesn't mean they support the welfare state...

ETA: I started this before Mauser98 replied - looks like my assumption was correct...

[Stylin750]

Are you saying you "SUPPORT" the ones of poverty and laziness? The ones who won't go one inch out of their way to help themselves? The ones who won't put an effort forth in this world to become the best they can be? The ones who feel that because the "drug kingpin" in their neighborhood is the one they want to be when they grow up, so they follow in that persons footsteps, and they should also be allowed to have more children so they can continually raise them in the wrong way? Continually having children that we are paying to support because they won't help themselves, they won't go out of their own way to get a job, and become a member of society, and a productive member at that? Are you condoning their lifestyle of getting their hands on guns, which have serial numbers ground off, and using them to commit crimes. People like that, have no right to have children! If they can't simply help themselves, and support themselves, then they have no right to have children and make us support both them and their children. And yes, there is a difference. If you won't go out into the world, and try to better yourself. Try to find a job and support yourself, try to put yourself into a better situation, if your just plain lazy and feel the system and government "owe" you, and you don't need to try, then no, you don't deserve to breed! If your someone that tries, that applies for jobs, holds a minimum wage job, and tries your best at life, trying to succeed and change your path, trying your best to support yourself, and family, but just can't do it. And need a little government help. But you don't take advantage of the system. I do have some sympathy for you. But taking advantage of the system, i'm sorry... You don't need to be allowed to continue on your legacy of being a burden, and wanting to be the next drug lord in your community, running around assaulting people, robbing people... NO WAY!

It's no different than the people who are getting so much public assistance, and yet, a good portion of that money is used on drugs! All we are doing is enabling them! Which is a big waste of time and money. Us working hard, holding down a job, supporting our family, and also supporting them! To me, that's an unneeded burden on society, and something that needs to be stopped! When they take the assistance we give them, use 50% of it on drugs, but are still on welfare and having children, because they sold themselves to their local drug supplier because they couldn't afford their "fix" this week, so they sold their body for it. And now we are supporting another one of them. No way! I'm sorry! They shouldn't be allowed to breed!

Now look at what has happened here. This kid was using weapons for assault and burglary.. His days were numbered. In the direction he was going, he was either going to make it to 30 and be on the streets, selling drugs and who knows what. Or he was going to make it to 30 and be behind bars. Or he was going to have to face the outcome that just happened. But it's dumb. Does anyone think this police officer woke up that morning, went to work, and in the back of his mind was thinking... I'm going to kill a criminal today. No! Ask anyone. Nobody ever wants to live with the fact of having to take another persons life! NOBODY! And this LEO is going to have to live with that for the rest of his life. Knowing he shot and killed a young kid. Nobody is going to emphasize the fact that he did what he had to do. And he also took someone off the street, (not the way he would have liked to), that could have caused more destruction, or death to innocent people in the future. Ask any officer. They will all tell you that if they have the option, they would much rather be able to question or arrest someone peacefully. There's not a single one here that goes to work hoping he get's to use his service weapon. That Is another reason why these criminals shouldn't be allowed to breed.

Obama and Sharpton and their cronies want to take our RIGHTS away, our guns away, our methods of protection. I say no! I want to take a criminals right to breed away! If your going to be a criminal, and try to take things away from us, our rights, and our liberties, then no way! We should take your right to breed away, so you can't bring up more children when you can't even support yourself and put yourself on the straight and narrow, then why should you be allowed to bring children into this world, and raise them in that kind of environment. If you yourself can't distinguish right from wrong, then what in the world makes you think you can teach your children right from wrong!?!?!?[/quote]


I'm pretty sure the only thing I disagreed with was your statement on taking away someones right to "Breed" as you put it. I never said anything about supporting the lazy and unmotivated people that are abusing the system. The only sure way to prevent someone from procreating is to sterilize them. And who do you suggest be the one that decides who is sterilized, the government? Sounds like a slippery slope when we allow the government to decide who can, and can not procreate.[/quote]

Well here a an idea. I completely agree, they shouldn't be procreating and we would all be better off if they didn't. But you can't force it or make it mandatory that they aren't allowed to procreate. I'm pretty sure that's against our freedoms or our bill of rights or constitution some how. But if its made voluntarily, nobody would have a qualm against that. So just give them a little incentive to get sterilized, could be monetary. If the incentive was 15k. You'd save that really quick honestly and they'd be happy. Its a win win. You can't simply force stuff in america but nobody said anything about making it voluntary.

[xd ED]

Well here a an idea. I completely agree, they shouldn't be procreating and we would all be better off if they didn't. But you can't force it or make it mandatory that they aren't allowed to procreate. I'm pretty sure that's against our freedoms or our bill of rights or constitution some how. But if its made voluntarily, nobody would have a qualm against that. So just give them a little incentive to get sterilized, could be monetary. If the incentive was 15k. You'd save that really quick honestly and they'd be happy. Its a win win. You can't simply force stuff in america but nobody said anything about making it voluntary.

So who decides who 'they' are that qualify to get paid to not have kids? And whose $15k do 'they' get?