PD chief "purchase permits take more than 5 business days"

[justaguy]

All the excess days demonstrate is that PTCs and PTPs aren't as allfired important to the police as they are to the people submitting the apps. Yes, it's wrong, no, it's not a dastardly conspiracy by the goose-stepping thugs to violate your rights. When their blasphemous behavior is pointed out it appears they contritely slip into line and the world keeps turning.

Widge I dont want to get in a knock down dragged out forum brawl over this. The fact is that the police are violating an Amendment to the Constitution, and that they dont find the 2nd "important." If they dont find the second important then why would they find any of the others important? End of story.

Is making a big deal of this the answer? Or should we wait till the police get to one of the ones that is "important" and make a big deal over it? Do we really need all 27 Amendments?

Widge you came from a place that is further down the slippery slope than we are. How did they get there?
Was it a

dastardly conspiracy by the goose-stepping thugs to violate your rights.

Or was it nice slow and easy till one day they noticed they were ****?

Man, didn't you piss and moan about this enough yet? We get it...you want their heads

To think a guy would piss and moan about his rights, and want someone's head? Maybe if the Jews would have done more of that things would have turned out a little different than they did.

[goalie]

The best part is it's the law enforcement agency that's violating the law. It helps to create a sense of respect for the police when they demonstrate that laws are "optional."

Man, didn't you piss and moan about this enough yet? We get it...you want their heads, Burn the Heretics!it's TEOTWAWKI!

How about all the laws you ignore, violate, or just pay lip service to when it suits you? That's alright I suppose.

All the excess days demonstrate is that PTCs and PTPs aren't as allfired important to the police as they are to the people submitting the apps. Yes, it's wrong, no, it's not a dastardly conspiracy by the goose-stepping thugs to violate your rights. When their blasphemous behavior is pointed out it appears they contritely slip into line and the world keeps turning.

The police don't get to decide which of my rights are important or which laws to follow.

[Widge]

Whatever. After this post I'm done with this discussion. When you've all done comparing notes about how you had to wave copies of statutes at the cops and hold your breath until you went blue in the face because they weren't aware they only had a finite period to complete your very important application consider this:

Next time someone canvasses Police departments looking for support for legislation to register guns/amend carry law/make it more onerous to purchase a firearm, guess what? They'll remember the self-righteous prick who stamped their feet and threatened them with court action over having to wait a extra day or two. Will they remember the other guy who politely pointed out the statute that required their inquiries be completed in a certain time? Maybe, but probably not, since it's the ranters and ravers who get remembered. There are so many statuatory duties imposed on departments there is no wonder that some are not aware of every little line and qualifying statement until someone points it out.

Oh, and congratulations to Justa for being the first to get the Nazi-Holocaust connection in over a damn permit wait time issue.

Now carry on your back-slapping and whine fest over the your efforts to recruit more Brady Bunch spokespeople and supporters.

Have a great time with it.

[nyffman]

There are so many statuatory duties imposed on departments there is no wonder that some are not aware of every little line and qualifying statement until someone points it out.

Well, there is that. But, you would probably admit, if you weren't already done with this, that, in addition to Chief, I can't recall his name at the moment, we'll just call him "Bling", in Chaska, there are those in the business who are, to put it mildly, "uncomfortable" with regular people being allowed carry firearms in public, right? So, yeah, if you recall this, we can't be pacifists about this. Of course it's always a good idea to first go in, quietly and patiently explain their duty under the law before turning into "that weird gun nut". So, therein lies the dilema. At what point do you decide that this is an attempt to reduce your rights to the level of "subject", rather than just another case of bureaucratic incompetence?

[hammAR]

Now carry on your back-slapping and whine fest over the your efforts.................................

+1

[Tutmos]

How about all the laws you ignore, violate, or just pay lip service to when it suits you? That's alright I suppose.

Those altruistic police issue me tickets and make me pay fines for all of those laws I ignore or violate. According to your childish logic I should just tell them, "That one doesn't matter, it's not important. Just ignore it." Hrmm I wonder what that police chief would do in response. "Oh okay never mind, don't pay that ticket."

At least come up with reasonable statements instead of sophomoric insults and regurgitation of your latest vocabulary word over and over again.

As someone else pointed out, I'll just shut up about my rights when they're violated I guess. I'm sure those police would suck it up and not say a word if their union contract was being violated or their pay was shorted by the city or state right? They'd just understand it's really complicated.

[justaguy]

This is my third to last post on this subject.

Widge you were the one that made reference to the "goose-stepping thugs". I assumed you were talking about Nazi's, so I went further with your own thought. Dont try to blame me for what you brought up.

Tutmos you get a gold star and a slap on the back. Your courage under forum fire is impressive. You should be a cop.

Nyffman you would get a gold star but I dont want to bring you into this.

Why the hell have there been so many arguments, and hostility around here lately? I like it.

[Tutmos]

Whatever. After this post I'm done with this discussion. When you've all done comparing notes about how you had to wave copies of statutes at the cops and hold your breath until you went blue in the face because they weren't aware they only had a finite period to complete your very important application consider this:

Next time someone canvasses Police departments looking for support for legislation to register guns/amend carry law/make it more onerous to purchase a firearm, guess what? They'll remember the self-righteous prick who stamped their feet and threatened them with court action over having to wait a extra day or two.

Oh I get it now. Shut your f'ing mouth and quit complaining about police violations of your rights or they'll take them away entirely. So someone being upset about police violating the law is a self-righteous prick? By your logic then every cop that gives you a ticket for speeding instead of a polite warning is a self-righteous prick? Why do I have a feeling they wouldn't react so well to be told that during a traffic stop. I think maybe you forgot the whole part about police being PUBLIC SERVANTS!

Will they remember the other guy who politely pointed out the statute that required their inquiries be completed in a certain time? Maybe, but probably not, since it's the ranters and ravers who get remembered. There are so many statuatory duties imposed on departments there is no wonder that some are not aware of every little line and qualifying statement until someone points it out.

OMFG, so it's too complicated for the police departments? Well it sounds to me like we need smarter and more educated people in the police department if the problem is that all these "little details" are too much to handle. They should probably raise the pay rate and require a BA or BS degree.

The reality is, I'm sure, that they're plenty smart enough to keep track of these pesky little details of law. They just don't give a f@#4. The remarks one person posted about the police chief saying sue me is a perfect case in point.

Oh, and congratulations to Justa for being the first to get the Nazi-Holocaust connection in over a damn permit wait time issue.

Now carry on your back-slapping and whine fest over the your efforts to recruit more Brady Bunch spokespeople and supporters.

Have a great time with it.

Again you have to love that veiled threat about shutting up about smaller violations of our rights or they'll help take them away entirely. Maybe if you accuse people of whining more it will take attention away from your doing exactly that, not to mention the insulting petty manner in which you do it.

[ttousi]

On or over the line relative to the personal attacks. Attack the argument not the person.

[nyffman]

Nyffman you would get a gold star but I dont want to bring you into this.

Oh well, not sure I want to be "brought" in anyway. The tone has gotten pretty rediculous. Somebody seems to have need for a real life with real problems.

[goalie]

Nyffman you would get a gold star but I dont want to bring you into this.

Oh well, not sure I want to be "brought" in anyway. The tone has gotten pretty rediculous. Somebody seems to have need for a real life with real problems.

Real life problems are overrated. (Said the guy who is on-call and has been at the hospital since 0630 this am. At least it's all OT.)

[hammAR]

The old saw goes something like this....
'When you have the facts on your side, argue the facts.
When you have the law on your side, argue the law.
When you have neither, make personal attacks.'

I would strongly suggest that some are threading a very small needle and approaching personal attacks against Widge, and in general against ALL LEO's. He is here voicing his opinion and getting bashed for doing so....... stop being liberal sheeppoodles for a minute and try listening to what he is attempting to say....


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[Tutmos]

I would strongly suggest that some are threading a very small needle and approaching personal attacks against Widge....

Are you joking? Maybe you just overlook his posts.

For Christ's sake, what's with you people? Pedantic drivel that helps the OP not a bit. Would it have made any damn difference to the advice if I'd have said 'violating' or 'breaking'?

Get your panties in a bunch over something worth the effort.

Get bent. Better yet, go start another 'I told you so' thread so you can feel all oppressed and vindicated. Otherwise, if you have nothing constructive to assist the OP I suggest you wind your neck in.

You'd be right. I have a huge chip on my shoulder concerning pedantic jackasses who use every post to try and score cheap points that contribute nothing to the thread but make them feel good. Sound familiar?

What I do for a living has nothing to do with it. I already disliked nitpicking twits before I got the job.

Now carry on your back-slapping and whine fest over the your efforts to recruit more Brady Bunch spokespeople and supporters.

[hammAR]

Are you joking? Maybe you just overlook his posts.

NO, I am not joking, maybe you need to reread the previous post to which Widge was responding......in context......

[David]

So Brooklyn park is still doing the "Tuesday processing" thing, hmm? Well, back in the day, they used to say that they could only ACCEPT applications on Tuesdays, which delayed things even further, since many people couldn't necessarily come back that exact day, during business hours. It's funny that Champlin, which is right next to Brooklyn Park, has such a different view of it. Sure there are fewer than 30,000 residents in Champlin, but if they can get your permit to you the next day, via mail, then I'd think Brooklyn Park could at least get them to you within a week.

I don't buy the argument that they don't have the time. I'm sure that's the case with some departments, but bigger, busier, less well-funded departments do it the right way, according to statue, etc. Brooklyn Park has always had a reputation for being anti-gun, and this is just one more example of it. Back when an FFL was easier to get, the "extra" requirements they foisted upon FFL holders made it unlikely that anyone but the ultra-serious would attempt the bureaucratic minefield to get one. I bought my first house just a few blocks into Champlin, and my life (well, at least my gun-collecting life) got a whole lot easier.