Uffdaphil wrote:ORM. You are correct on the facts, but the effecacy of carrying is not the same as your examples. That neck brace only makes me safer. A sprinkling of covertly armed citizens makes all society safer.
Uffdaphil wrote:Per the motorcycle helmet example. If safety is paramount why ride a bike at all when a protective four-wheeled cage will much more likely keep you alive? We two-wheelers value the in the wind experience enough to accept the risk. Helmets are obviously safer, but it's like riding with only your head in a car. Dilutes the joy big time. I always put on the pot on the highway, but like the open air just tootling around town. I've long argued your points with those advocating mandatory helmet law for bikers. They would provide the same protection and discomfort for car drivers. Life's a compromise. Mandate as little as possible and the worlds a better place.
Hmac wrote:Uffdaphil wrote:ORM. You are correct on the facts, but the effecacy of carrying is not the same as your examples. That neck brace only makes me safer. A sprinkling of covertly armed citizens makes all society safer.
Per the motorcycle helmet example. If safety is paramount why ride a bike at all when a protective four-wheeled cage will much more likely keep you alive? We two-wheelers value the in the wind experience enough to accept the risk. Helmets are obviously safer, but it's like riding with only your head in a car. Dilutes the joy big time. I always put on the pot on the highway, but like the open air just tootling around town. I've long argued your points with those advocating mandatory helmet law for bikers. They would provide the same protection and discomfort for car drivers. Life's a compromise. Mandate as little as possible and the worlds a better place.
That was my point. Mitigate risk...? Right, sell the bike, strap into the car with your helmet and kevlar body armor and put down the cigarette. Then strap on your gun. Now you've covered yourself against several potential life-ending events, not just the ones that fulfill a self-defense fantasy. Wearing a helmet isn't sexy. Strapping on a handgun is.
Not preaching here...FWIW I rarely wear a helmet while riding my Heritage Softail. I am a trauma surgeon, and yes, I clearly understand the risks involved in my life, including motorcycles, helmets, 5-point harnesses, and carrying firearms. My evaluation of the circumstances determine my precautions, whether it's wearing a helmet or carrying a firearm.
45Badger wrote:
I went from paranoid ATGATT to full face helmet, great jackets, gloves and boots. Jeans are just too comfy. It's crazy congested here in the ******* burbs, so no thoughts of going without a lid. Too many clueless (on phone, texting, yelling at kids) soccer moms and dads in big SUVs, minivans and Beemers to avoid. On the open road where I am much less likely to crash? Maybe someday.
Randygmn wrote:Removing the designations of "gun free zones" won't reduce the actual amount of fatalities in these active shooter situations (except for the occasional unicorn event when an armed civilian intervenes). But it most certainly will reduce the frequency at which they do occur. These murderers choose their locations based primarily on the fact they know they won't be opposed with firearms during their crimes. It's why you don't see this happening at gun ranges and police stations. Until these lunatics start to question whether they will be faced with armed citizens fighting back, the carnage will continue. For me personally, I carry everywhere, except those with federal restrictions. And I limit visiting those places, like the plague.
Randygmn wrote:Removing the designations of "gun free zones" won't reduce the actual amount of fatalities in these active shooter situations (except for the occasional unicorn event when an armed civilian intervenes). But it most certainly will reduce the frequency at which they do occur. These murderers choose their locations based primarily on the fact they know they won't be opposed with firearms during their crimes. It's why you don't see this happening at gun ranges and police stations. Until these lunatics start to question whether they will be faced with armed citizens fighting back, the carnage will continue. For me personally, I carry everywhere, except those with federal restrictions. And I limit visiting those places, like the plague.
LarryFlew wrote:I'm kind of with Hmac on the question of an untrained person with a handgun doing much good. Even with some training most could not hit what they are aiming at and don't even shoot twice a year
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