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Trump on 2nd Amendment

Postby george on Sun Feb 28, 2016 9:32 pm

This is on the Trump web sight, now many who question can rest.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/second-amendment-rights
The Second Amendment to our Constitution is clear. The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed upon. Period.

The Second Amendment guarantees a fundamental right that belongs to all law-abiding Americans. The Constitution doesn’t create that right – it ensures that the government can’t take it away. Our Founding Fathers knew, and our Supreme Court has upheld, that the Second Amendment’s purpose is to guarantee our right to defend ourselves and our families. This is about self-defense, plain and simple.

Made me feel all warm the more I read. I'm glad it finally came to a head.
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Trump on 2nd Amendment

Postby Kaveman on Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:00 am

george wrote:This is on the Trump web sight, now many who question can rest.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/second-amendment-rights
The Second Amendment to our Constitution is clear. The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed upon. Period.

The Second Amendment guarantees a fundamental right that belongs to all law-abiding Americans. The Constitution doesn’t create that right – it ensures that the government can’t take it away. Our Founding Fathers knew, and our Supreme Court has upheld, that the Second Amendment’s purpose is to guarantee our right to defend ourselves and our families. This is about self-defense, plain and simple.

Made me feel all warm the more I read. I'm glad it finally came to a head.

Scares the hell out of me. The fact that Trump does NOT understand that it is not just self defense, but defense against a tyrannical government is almost as troubling as his understanding of the first amendment.
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Re: Trump on 2nd Amendment

Postby xd ED on Mon Feb 29, 2016 2:35 am

I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72-hours if a potential gun owner has a record.

It’s often argued that the American murder rate is high because guns are more available here than in other countries. Democrats want to confiscate all guns, which is a dumb idea because only the law-abiding citizens would turn in their guns and the bad guys would be the only ones left armed. The Republicans walk the NRA line and refuse even limited restrictions.

The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.102 , Jul 2, 2000
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Donald_Trump_Gun_Control.htm



Where does Donald Trump really stand on the Second Amendment? That depends on whether you ask him at an NRA meeting or if you look at past statements and actions.

Potential GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump and his daughter have donated “at least $105,000 to the Clinton Foundation,” The Hill reported Thursday. Contributions, per the Foundation website, “advance the work of any part of the Clinton Foundation, including the Clinton Global Initiative.”
That would be the same group behind the Clinton Global Citizen Award, presented to anti-gun billionaire Michael Bloomberg by Vice President Joe Biden for being the “most fierce and most effective advocate that we have on the matter of gun sanity.” And it’s hardly the first time Trump has come across as effectively bipolar on guns....

May 15, 2015

http://www.examiner.com/article/trump-donations-to-clinton-foundation-add-to-gun-owner-concerns
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Re: Trump on 2nd Amendment

Postby Ghost on Mon Feb 29, 2016 6:22 am

As long as he listens to his son I think he'll be OK on the 2A.

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Re: Trump on 2nd Amendment

Postby Holland&Holland on Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:00 am

Well one can always vote for Hillary, her 2A support is well documented... Sarcasm intended.
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Re: Trump on 2nd Amendment

Postby xd ED on Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:19 am

Holland&Holland wrote:Well one can always vote for Hillary, her 2A support is well documented... Sarcasm intended.


One never knows.

Maybe, in a brain fart, Trump will decide to release his tax returns before the convention, when there'll still be time for tar and feathers.
Then, I suspect Trump's support for Planned Parenthood, hillabeast, Tony Soprano, and the brady bunch will be equally documented.

Mere speculation, of course.
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Re: Trump on 2nd Amendment

Postby Holland&Holland on Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:47 am

xd ED wrote:
Holland&Holland wrote:Well one can always vote for Hillary, her 2A support is well documented... Sarcasm intended.


One never knows.

Maybe, in a brain fart, Trump will decide to release his tax returns before the convention, when there'll still be time for tar and feathers.
Then, I suspect Trump's support for Planned Parenthood, hillabeast, Tony Soprano, and the brady bunch will be equally documented.

Mere speculation, of course.


And you think that is going to matter to those supporting Trump? Maybe, but I doubt it. I am not a Trump guy but he is better than the alternative.
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Re: Trump on 2nd Amendment

Postby xd ED on Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:09 pm

Holland&Holland wrote:
xd ED wrote:
Holland&Holland wrote:Well one can always vote for Hillary, her 2A support is well documented... Sarcasm intended.


One never knows.

Maybe, in a brain fart, Trump will decide to release his tax returns before the convention, when there'll still be time for tar and feathers.
Then, I suspect Trump's support for Planned Parenthood, hillabeast, Tony Soprano, and the brady bunch will be equally documented.

Mere speculation, of course.


And you think that is going to matter to those supporting Trump? Maybe, but I doubt it. I am not a Trump guy but he is better than the alternative.


It's gets more difficult to understand his supporters as time passes.
Everybody supporting him because everybody is supporting him reminds me of the line about Paris Hilton being famous for being famous....

Might as well hold out for a miracle, right through Nov 8, which is what we'll need if he gets the nomination.
His high negatives suggest a lot of conservatives staying home.

You are correct about the alternative, but I'll keep hoping we can raise the bar a bit.

As an aside,
Gov Turnbuckle recently weighed in: he can't decide whether to support Trump, ... or Sanders
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Re: Trump on 2nd Amendment

Postby JJ on Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:24 pm

Trump securing the nomination, will ensure a Clinton win in Nov. The inside baseball from the hill has McConnell openly advocating senators run against Trump. If by some miracle Trump were to win, the division between the executive and legislative would guarantee absolute gridlock. I firmly believe the man is too small to hold a position so large.

At this point, the momentum for a Trump nomination is next to unstoppable. Apparently the counter to low information voters putting O'bummer in office, is low information voters on our side racing to the bottom. The only scenario I can see at this point, is Cruz and Rubio coming together to run against the Donald, and I doubt either can check their ego's long enough to do so.

I cannot shake the feeling that Idiocracy was a preemptive documentary.
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Re: Trump on 2nd Amendment

Postby Holland&Holland on Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:29 pm

JJ wrote:Trump securing the nomination, will ensure a Clinton win in Nov.


A conspiracy minded person might suggest that to be strategy not fate.
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Re: Trump on 2nd Amendment

Postby usnret on Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:32 pm

The reason that all of those career politicians don't want Trump is because he won't play by their rules. In other words, he isn't as corrupt as they are.
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Re: Trump on 2nd Amendment

Postby JJ on Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:40 pm

usnret wrote:The reason that all of those career politicians don't want Trump is because he won't play by their rules. In other words, he isn't as corrupt as they are.



:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

Doh'kay

Good luck with all that.
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Re: Trump on 2nd Amendment

Postby Holland&Holland on Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:40 pm

usnret wrote:The reason that all of those career politicians don't want Trump is because he won't play by their rules. In other words, he isn't as corrupt as they are.

While I can appreciate that he will not play by their rules and see value in that, claiming he is not corrupt is a bit far. Have you watched the Apprentice?
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Re: Trump on 2nd Amendment

Postby xd ED on Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:42 pm

IF/ when Trump gets the nomination, the Clinton sharks will turn the water red with the donald's past.
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Re: Trump on 2nd Amendment

Postby usnret on Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:09 pm

Holland&Holland wrote:
usnret wrote:The reason that all of those career politicians don't want Trump is because he won't play by their rules. In other words, he isn't as corrupt as they are.

While I can appreciate that he will not play by their rules and see value in that, claiming he is not corrupt is a bit far. Have you watched the Apprentice?

No never did. But isn't that a reality BS show?
So, why do you think that the establishment Republican party is so horrified that he is doing so well and will probably get the nomination? I'm interested seeing as it seems that a lot of you seem to have all the answers.
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