Permit To purchase

[LarryP]

I applied & dropped off my permit to purchase on Feb 17. Haven't received it or heard from the police. Do these usually take a full month to get like the carry permit does?

[xd ED]

In MN it's a seven day waiting period. So even with an allowance for weekends, it's been more than enough time.
I would visit the PD. They may have the permit waiting for you, or there may have been an issue.
It could be that the dept. doesn't mail them out or notify you.

[westhope]

Did you get the receipt portion of the application, dated and signed by the PD, to record the date you applied?

[LarryP]

Yes, They signed it & gave it to me. I'll stop by today & see what they say

Did you get the receipt portion of the application, dated and signed by the PD, to record the date you applied?

[Citiot]

One thing I don't like about the permit to purchase process is that, at least in my city, the police generate an incident report showing you applied and received a permit to purchase. Listening to the scanner, I sometimes hear "many recent calls to that address, permit to purchase"

So, basically, the police can search my name and pretty much know have guns in the house. Plus, if they are called to my address for even the most benign reason, anyone with a scanner knows there likely are weapons here.

I did a freedom of information request on incidents in my neighborhood and I determined through a process of elimination that my neighbor likely has a gun. I'm glad I know since there lots of alcohol and mental issue police visits there over the years.

At least the permit to carry is not every year and I don't know if the Sheriff dept creates a similar incident.

I consider this a backdoor registration.

GOCRA was looking into it on my behalf and I don't think the issue went anywhere.

[Snakeman721]

Here in Coon Rapids, you have to pick up your permit in person. They usually call to say it's ready....maybe you missed the call? Also, as to the previous post....yes, the C.R. police dept knows I have a permit to purchase as does anyone else working for C.R. They don't know IF I have a gun, just that I have the permit. Found out when they wanted to replace my water meter and the service guy wouldn't enter my house without a police escort. Yeah, I have no idea what his problem was.

[LarryP]

Well I went in and talked to the Eden Prairie police asking where my permit was. Showed him my receipt from Feb 17th.
Kid at the desk was real nice, he was surprised I didn't receive it earlier- Eden Prairie mails the permit.
He gets on the phone and is asking some lady about it.
She says it isn't ready yet. Because i have such a common name it takes the state longer than normal to run a check on me! (Larry Peterson) Good grief. I knew that was BS. Expected a better excuse
She said it should be in the mail on Wednesday.
I didn't say much, wouldn't do any good anyways. Not the kid at the desks fault.
IMO they probably have a anti gun police force or the permit person is anti gun.

[trblfngr]

More likely that they have been really busy lately, not a bad thing overall but for you it obviously sucks.

[LarryP]

It wasn't a big deal for me.
But if there's a law to get them out in a week, they should obey it just like we have to obey laws.
Eden Prairie police busy?? lol Not here in Mayberry

[westhope]

But if there's a law to get them out in a week, they should obey it just like we have to obey laws.

When I applied to get a Permit to Purchase at least 15 years ago in Owatonna, I filled out the first page of the standard MN BCA application and then asked the clerk for the receipt portion of the application, the second page, to be filled out by the clerk, she said they didn't do that. I stated that I wanted it to be filled out, dated and signed by her since that is the FULL form from the MN BCA. She again stated, they didn't do that portion of the form in Owatonna and I could pick up the Permit to Purchase in TWO WEEKS. I then stated the law states the Permits must be issued in 7 days.

She said, "If I didn't like it, to take it up with the MN Attorney General".

I asked to speak to her supervisor or officer on duty. He came, listened to my comments. Told the clerk to find the second page of the application. She went and got the second page of the application and filled it out. The officer dated and signed the second page and said I could pick up the Permit in 7 days (all in front of the clerk). In seven days I came and picked up the Permit.

While the clerk was looking for the second page of the application, the officer asked what kind of handgun I was looking to buy. I said, none in particular at this time, I just renewed the Permit annually so I had a current one but I was a 1911 kind of guy. We talked a little more about shooting while waiting for the clerk to return with the second page of the form. (She knew where to find the second page, just never gave it to the applicants to fill out.)

No longer need the P2P with a P2C. Clerks today are much better when filling out the application for a P2C. The other clerk is no longer there.

If there is a requirement that applications be processed in a specific time in the law, there must be a provision in the law of what happens if it is not. Like, double the application fee returned to the applicant or say $100 if application requires no fee. There must be a penalty to agency filling out the application if they do not do it per the law.

[Citiot]

"Found out when they wanted to replace my water meter and the service guy wouldn't enter my house without a police escort. Yeah, I have no idea what his problem was."

A fella could have fun with that one. Not that I'm a tin foil hat crowd person, but I wouldn't let police in my house.

Police are people like everyone else and I've met many who are a bit gung-ho. Maybe you have an innocent fern that looks a bit like an illegal plant. Before you know it, you're having to bail yourself out of jail and are hiring a lawyer.

Police have two reasons to talk to you. 1) you're a suspect 2) you're a witness (and possibly soon to be a suspect). In this case, you are neither. (I know there are police on this board, please don't take my thoughts personally. I have instructed my kids to never talk to police and only utter the words "I wish to remain silent. Lawyer")

Curious, how did the service guy know you had a permit to purchase? Did he have access to the police DB? That data is restricted data by MN law I believe. Something doesn't seem right here.

[crbutler]

My bit of fun would have been to say, then I guess I don't need na new water meter, do I?

[Snakeman721]

I had made a stink at city hall previously about their animal ordinances and some other issues so I got noticed that way. Why the meter guy wanted a police escort is beyond me? Actually, THREE police officers showed up but I only let 1 in with the meter guy. I suppose I could have refused entry to both of them, but the reason the meter guy was out here in the first place was because my meter quit sending a signal and the city decided to bill me $450 because they couldn't get a reading. So.....it was either let the meter guy in with ONE escort or go back to fighting with city hall and have a $450 water bill. There are a couple of people at city hall who definitely do NOT like me....the city attorney and 1 council person for sure. The C.R. PD knows I have a PTP so ASSUMED I was armed. Like I said, I don't know why the meter guy asked for an escort.....if I have a PTP, then quite obviously, I'm a law abiding citizen. Not like I'm going to shoot the meter guy...duh.

[UnaStamus]

One thing I don't like about the permit to purchase process is that, at least in my city, the police generate an incident report showing you applied and received a permit to purchase. Listening to the scanner, I sometimes hear "many recent calls to that address, permit to purchase"

So, basically, the police can search my name and pretty much know have guns in the house. Plus, if they are called to my address for even the most benign reason, anyone with a scanner knows there likely are weapons here.

I did a freedom of information request on incidents in my neighborhood and I determined through a process of elimination that my neighbor likely has a gun. I'm glad I know since there lots of alcohol and mental issue police visits there over the years.

At least the permit to carry is not every year and I don't know if the Sheriff dept creates a similar incident.

I consider this a backdoor registration.

GOCRA was looking into it on my behalf and I don't think the issue went anywhere.

Whenever a criminal background check or other similar investigation is conducted, agencies are required to generate a case number as a matter of official record. This is actually done for your protection, as well as being for record keeping. This prevents illegal background checks being done on people for no reason. An agency can be audited by the BCA or Feds and they have to provide documentation for every CCH criminal background check they perform so that they can prove WHY they did it. The state has also started creating an electronic "paper trail" for all DVS inquiries as well that access DL photos. MN has upped their requirements over the years regarding data privacy practices.

I spent some time doing background investigations for the city (suburb of Mpls) when I got injured on duty and had to drive the front desk for a month. I primarily did city employment background checks, as well as massage therapist licensing. We had to do full criminal background checks on message therapy business applicants, as well as message therapist applicants to ensure that they had no criminal history relating to prostitution (this is actually a legit issue). I had to have a case number for every background I did.

When we did permit to purchase applications, I handled the paperwork but did not do the background. However, I had to review a lot of the background stuff and every time we had to have a case number for the BCA.

I was fortunate to work in a city that was pretty pro-gun. I had two guys come in for CLEO sign-offs on NFA docs, and our chief would always sign them. He also did the fingerprinting if you brought your own cards. I used to hand people permits and ask them "Now, you're not buying a Hi-Point, right?" Or something like that. Some guys laughed and were "oh lord no", and some looked like deer in headlights thinking I was some government gun-grabber doing some fishing. I guess they didn't get my sense of humor.

[LarryP]

Woo Hoo! Permit finally showed up in the mail! Only took 3 1/2 weeks!!