What are the rules for private sale of a handgun in MN?

[yukonjasper]

I'm surprised that fee didn't create an invisible force field on that Idaho mountaintop. I thought that's what fees did, keep everyone safer..............

[OldmanFCSA]

Holy crap- I'm not sure if you've shared THAT story here (link?)- but if not, I'd love to hear about it in a separate thread. Wow.

(I love northern Idaho - western Montana area.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Weaver

Wait- you sold Randy Weaver the rifle he used in self defense on Ruby Ridge? Wow. I have no idea how you feel about it, but that would be a source of pride had it been me.

NOT pride ......................................................... ???????????????????????????????????????? Not sure ......................................... Thin Blue Line.

[Erud]

Holy crap- I'm not sure if you've shared THAT story here (link?)- but if not, I'd love to hear about it in a separate thread. Wow.

(I love northern Idaho - western Montana area.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Weaver

Wait- you sold Randy Weaver the rifle he used in self defense on Ruby Ridge? Wow. I have no idea how you feel about it, but that would be a source of pride had it been me.

NOT pride ......................................................... ???????????????????????????????????????? Not sure ......................................... Thin Blue Line.

That killed his wife, son, and dog. Pretty sure you wouldn't have been on the hook if you had done an otherwise legal FTF sale without the FFL transfer.

[Squib Joe]

I'm pretty sure, as I remember it, that Randy Weaver didn't shoot anybody at Ruby Ridge.

Sammy Weaver used a Mini-14 and Kevin Harris used a 1917 Enfield rifle to fire at Agents. No mention of a Herters rifle that I've seen, so maybe that wasn't one of yours, OldmanFCSA

[OldmanFCSA]

I'm pretty sure, as I remember it, that Randy Weaver didn't shoot anybody at Ruby Ridge.

Sammy Weaver used a Mini-14 and Kevin Harris used a 1917 Enfield rifle to fire at Agents. No mention of a Herters rifle that I've seen, so maybe that wasn't one of yours, OldmanFCSA

Hope not - but it was information I received from a Federal Officer. After proving I did a legal transfer for suspect firearm, I was not bothered again.

This is part of reason why I require "legal transfers" on my sales of firearms - Legally not required but a requirement of mine which I pay for out my pocket.

[OldmanFCSA]

Several years ago I contacted Randy Weaver, His decision was to sever all past memories.

[rmc51]

No formal background check necessary. Must be over 21 for a pistol and must not sell to a prohibited person. If you suspect they are, don't sell.

Some folks, out of an abundance of caution, request to see a drivers license and a permit to purchase/carry. Some will even insist on a bill of sale to CYA.

This answer was put up in 2017. Has there been any changes to the law in MN for a FTF sale of a pistol. Can anyone point me to where I can find this info.

Thank you.
RMC

[bstrawse]

No formal background check necessary. Must be over 21 for a pistol and must not sell to a prohibited person. If you suspect they are, don't sell.

Some folks, out of an abundance of caution, request to see a drivers license and a permit to purchase/carry. Some will even insist on a bill of sale to CYA.

This answer was put up in 2017. Has there been any changes to the law in MN for a FTF sale of a pistol. Can anyone point me to where I can find this info.

Thank you.
RMC

Nothing has changed.

Bryan

[jdege]

This answer was put up in 2017. Has there been any changes to the law in MN for a FTF sale of a pistol. Can anyone point me to where I can find this info.

The important thing to understand is that if you sell a pistol or "assault weapon" to someone without seeing his DL and PTP or PTC, you're opening yourself to songs significant legal risk.

Minn. Stat. 609.66 Subd. 1f:

Gross misdemeanor; transferring firearm without background check.
A person, other than a federally licensed firearms dealer, who transfers a pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon to another without complying with the transfer requirements of section 624.7132, is guilty of a gross misdemeanor if the transferee possesses or uses the weapon within one year after the transfer in furtherance of a felony crime of violence, and if:
(1) the transferee was prohibited from possessing the weapon under section 624.713 at the time of the transfer; or

(2) it was reasonably foreseeable at the time of the transfer that the transferee was likely to use or possess the weapon in furtherance of a felony crime of violence.

If you don't know the buyer, and don't know for a fact that he's not a prohibited person, make seeing his DL and PTC a condition of sale, and make a copy.

Don't pin your hopes on "it want wasn't reasonably foreseeable". That's an argument and a subjective judgement call, which means lawyers arguing, which means wads of money out of your wallet, even if you win.

[rmc51]

Buyer is a CCW

[rmc51]

No formal background check necessary. Must be over 21 for a pistol and must not sell to a prohibited person. If you suspect they are, don't sell.

Some folks, out of an abundance of caution, request to see a drivers license and a permit to purchase/carry. Some will even insist on a bill of sale to CYA.

This answer was put up in 2017. Has there been any changes to the law in MN for a FTF sale of a pistol. Can anyone point me to where I can find this info.

Thank you.
RMC

Nothing has changed.

Bryan

Thanks for the come back.

[rmc51]

This answer was put up in 2017. Has there been any changes to the law in MN for a FTF sale of a pistol. Can anyone point me to where I can find this info.

The important thing to understand is that if you sell a pistol or "assault weapon" to someone without seeing his DL and PTP or PTC, you're opening yourself to songs significant legal risk.

Minn. Stat. 609.66 Subd. 1f:

Gross misdemeanor; transferring firearm without background check.
A person, other than a federally licensed firearms dealer, who transfers a pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon to another without complying with the transfer requirements of section 624.7132, is guilty of a gross misdemeanor if the transferee possesses or uses the weapon within one year after the transfer in furtherance of a felony crime of violence, and if:
(1) the transferee was prohibited from possessing the weapon under section 624.713 at the time of the transfer; or

(2) it was reasonably foreseeable at the time of the transfer that the transferee was likely to use or possess the weapon in furtherance of a felony crime of violence.

If you don't know the buyer, and don't know for a fact that he's not a prohibited person, make seeing his DL and PTC a condition of sale, and make a copy.

Don't pin your hopes on "it want wasn't reasonably foreseeable". That's an argument and a subjective judgement call, which means lawyers arguing, which means wads of money out of your wallet, even if you win.

Thanks for the come back.

[rmc51]

This answer was put up in 2017. Has there been any changes to the law in MN for a FTF sale of a pistol. Can anyone point me to where I can find this info.

The important thing to understand is that if you sell a pistol or "assault weapon" to someone without seeing his DL and PTP or PTC, you're opening yourself to songs significant legal risk.

Minn. Stat. 609.66 Subd. 1f:

Gross misdemeanor; transferring firearm without background check.
A person, other than a federally licensed firearms dealer, who transfers a pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon to another without complying with the transfer requirements of section 624.7132, is guilty of a gross misdemeanor if the transferee possesses or uses the weapon within one year after the transfer in furtherance of a felony crime of violence, and if:
(1) the transferee was prohibited from possessing the weapon under section 624.713 at the time of the transfer; or

(2) it was reasonably foreseeable at the time of the transfer that the transferee was likely to use or possess the weapon in furtherance of a felony crime of violence.

If you don't know the buyer, and don't know for a fact that he's not a prohibited person, make seeing his DL and PTC a condition of sale, and make a copy.

Don't pin your hopes on "it want wasn't reasonably foreseeable". That's an argument and a subjective judgement call, which means lawyers arguing, which means wads of money out of your wallet, even if you win.

I know I might be singing to the choir, but what is going on with item #2.
Who has a crystal ball and can tell what someone will do in the future?

What is with the terminology:
reasonably foreseeable, likely, in furtherance of a felony crime of violence. Again back to the question with the crystal ball. I would think that item #2 would be heading to the courts. #2 is subjective, vague and lacking in reality.

I digress, Sorry.
Thanks for the info. guys
Keep your powder dry
RMC

[ttousi]

info and Bill of sale form here
viewtopic.php?f=35&t=11498

[jdege]

I would think that item #2 would be heading to the courts. #2 is subjective, vague and lacking in reality.

In other words, expensive.