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New Lawsuit Argues That Customizable Rifles Are Illegal

Postby jdege on Sat Jul 06, 2019 1:17 pm

https://reason.com/2019/07/03/relying-on-the-same-illogic-that-trump-used-to-ban-bump-stocks-a-new-lawsuit-argues-that-customizable-rifles-are-illegal/
Relying on the Same Illogic That Trump Used to Ban Bump Stocks, a New Lawsuit Argues That Customizable Rifles Are Illegal
The plaintiffs say manufacturers broke the law by producing rifles that were compatible with accessories that facilitate rapid firing.

A new lawsuit against the manufacturers of guns used in the 2017 Las Vegas mass shooting argues that AR-15-style rifles are illegal because they are compatible with bump stocks, which increase their rate of fire. The plaintiffs, parents of a woman who was murdered in the Las Vegas massacre, argue that bump stocks like the ones used in that attack convert semi-automatic rifles into illegal machine guns—a position that has been endorsed by the Trump administration. Therefore, they argue, AR-15s are themselves illegal, since the federal definition of machine guns includes firearms that "can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger."
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Re: New Lawsuit Argues That Customizable Rifles Are Illegal

Postby Holland&Holland on Sat Jul 06, 2019 3:49 pm

This is why the NRA should have fought this harder instead of folding to trump.
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Re: New Lawsuit Argues That Customizable Rifles Are Illegal

Postby Rip Van Winkle on Sat Jul 06, 2019 4:12 pm

Holland&Holland wrote:This is why the NRA should have fought this harder instead of folding to trump.

Wouldn't matter. If the anti's hadn't used this, they would have just made up some other reason.
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Re: New Lawsuit Argues That Customizable Rifles Are Illegal

Postby Holland&Holland on Sat Jul 06, 2019 4:13 pm

Rip Van Winkle wrote:
Holland&Holland wrote:This is why the NRA should have fought this harder instead of folding to trump.

Wouldn't matter. If the anti's hadn't used this, they would have just made up some other reason.

Why give them one more argument?
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Re: New Lawsuit Argues That Customizable Rifles Are Illegal

Postby Ghost on Sat Jul 06, 2019 4:24 pm

Holland&Holland wrote:This is why the NRA should have fought this harder instead of folding to trump.

NRA was too busy buying suits and intern apartments.
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Re: New Lawsuit Argues That Customizable Rifles Are Illegal

Postby Erud on Sat Jul 06, 2019 5:53 pm

Ghost wrote:
Holland&Holland wrote:This is why the NRA should have fought this harder instead of folding to trump.

NRA was too busy buying suits and intern apartments.


You say that like it's a bad thing. Suits like that don't just buy themselves.
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Re: New Lawsuit Argues That Customizable Rifles Are Illegal

Postby Rip Van Winkle on Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:48 am

All joking aside, how much political capital should the NRA spend on a losing battle?

Despite of all it's warts, the NRA still instills fear into the hearts of the anti's. How much of that clout would NRA have lost if they opposed the ban and it was implemented anyway?
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Re: New Lawsuit Argues That Customizable Rifles Are Illegal

Postby Erud on Sun Jul 07, 2019 6:26 am

Rip Van Winkle wrote:All joking aside, how much political capital should the NRA spend on a losing battle?

Despite of all it's warts, the NRA still instills fear into the hearts of the anti's. How much of that clout would NRA have lost if they opposed the ban and it was implemented anyway?


Is that where they are now? If they can only support causes that they know can be won, and can’t or won’t fight against actual infringements to the 2nd amendment, what good are they to us really?
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Re: New Lawsuit Argues That Customizable Rifles Are Illegal

Postby Ghost on Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:02 am

Erud wrote:
Rip Van Winkle wrote:All joking aside, how much political capital should the NRA spend on a losing battle?

Despite of all it's warts, the NRA still instills fear into the hearts of the anti's. How much of that clout would NRA have lost if they opposed the ban and it was implemented anyway?


Is that where they are now? If they can only support causes that they know can be won, and can’t or won’t fight against actual infringements to the 2nd amendment, what good are they to us really?

They are currently a side show comedy act
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Re: New Lawsuit Argues That Customizable Rifles Are Illegal

Postby 870TC on Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:16 am

Great, let the gun people fight amongst themselves. Saves the anti's the trouble of doing it themselves.
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Re: New Lawsuit Argues That Customizable Rifles Are Illegal

Postby yukonjasper on Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:19 pm

The gun owning public are the definition of dysfunctional.
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Re: New Lawsuit Argues That Customizable Rifles Are Illegal

Postby Erud on Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:47 pm

yukonjasper wrote:The gun owning public are the definition of dysfunctional.


In what way?
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Re: New Lawsuit Argues That Customizable Rifles Are Illegal

Postby rtk on Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:49 pm

Well, if it gets to bizarre...law abiding people will just ignore the laws like the left does.
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Re: New Lawsuit Argues That Customizable Rifles Are Illegal

Postby Ghost on Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:01 pm

Erud wrote:
yukonjasper wrote:The gun owning public are the definition of dysfunctional.


In what way?

In the way we expect those we support to protect our rights to actually use that money to protect our rights?
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Re: New Lawsuit Argues That Customizable Rifles Are Illegal

Postby Erud on Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:06 pm

Ghost wrote:
Erud wrote:
yukonjasper wrote:The gun owning public are the definition of dysfunctional.


In what way?

In the way we expect those we support to protect our rights to actually use that money to protect our rights?


I guess so. To hear some tell it, we should probably just double our contributions to the NRA and not concern ourselves with what they do with the money. They’re the NRA, right? We wouldn’t even be able think about guns if it wasn’t for them!

Just don’t dig too deep into their actual track record, or compare it to that of any other pro-2A groups.
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