Binary trigger ban

[Jackpine Savage]

The binary trigger ban was crammed into an omnibus bill and passed last night. I remember the first time Shall issue was passed. It was thrown out because it wasn't 'germane' to the rest of the bill. What are the odds of getting this thrown out in a similar fashion? Or for the general cluster f* of how the bill was passed? Or because of an illegal taking? Just bleeding more money from us. effing bastards.

[warrlac]

The binary trigger ban was crammed into an omnibus bill and passed last night. I remember the first time Shall issue was passed. It was thrown out because it wasn't 'germane' to the rest of the bill. What are the odds of getting this thrown out in a similar fashion? Or for the general cluster f* of how the bill was passed? Or because of an illegal taking? Just bleeding more money from us. effing bastards.

Good question. Shall Issue was pro-2A. In today's political arena who knows about HF2609?

I've posted elsewhere on this site regarding the stellar job MNGOC did this legislative session. They put every anti-gun bill back on the shelf with their hard work and unceasing efforts. The Binary Trigger ban had to be surreptitiously slipped into the tax bill without debate by the DFL. They had to show their true colors and play its tyrannical hand to promote their "agenda"...

I agree that the binary trigger ban find its way to court.

[bstrawse]

The binary trigger ban was crammed into an omnibus bill and passed last night. I remember the first time Shall issue was passed. It was thrown out because it wasn't 'germane' to the rest of the bill. What are the odds of getting this thrown out in a similar fashion? Or for the general cluster f* of how the bill was passed? Or because of an illegal taking? Just bleeding more money from us. effing bastards.

It's possible, we're reviewing options with counsel.

We had planned legal action on a binary trigger ban but they way things went down may give us some other options - more to come.
b

[warrlac]

The binary trigger ban was crammed into an omnibus bill and passed last night. I remember the first time Shall issue was passed. It was thrown out because it wasn't 'germane' to the rest of the bill. What are the odds of getting this thrown out in a similar fashion? Or for the general cluster f* of how the bill was passed? Or because of an illegal taking? Just bleeding more money from us. effing bastards.

It's possible, we're reviewing options with counsel.

We had planned legal action on a binary trigger ban but they way things went down may give us some other options - more to come.
b

Can someone point me to the text of the revised trigger actuation language? I see single pull and release as being the major edit...

Next question:

Does it now become a NFA item?
If you have a class III FFL are you still prohibited from owning/using one?
So... Legal in Iowa. Not legal in Minnesota. Now what?
What is the penalty for owning one? Are the existing owners grandfathered?
What are they to do with their now prohibited component?

Doesn't the Bruen ruling provide constitutional guidance for prohibiting these kinds of component and accessory restrictions?

[bstrawse]

The binary trigger ban was crammed into an omnibus bill and passed last night. I remember the first time Shall issue was passed. It was thrown out because it wasn't 'germane' to the rest of the bill. What are the odds of getting this thrown out in a similar fashion? Or for the general cluster f* of how the bill was passed? Or because of an illegal taking? Just bleeding more money from us. effing bastards.

It's possible, we're reviewing options with counsel.

We had planned legal action on a binary trigger ban but they way things went down may give us some other options - more to come.
b

Can someone point me to the text of the revised trigger actuation language? I see single pull and release as being the major edit...

Next question:

Does it now become a NFA item?
If you have a class III FFL are you still prohibited from owning/using one?
So... Legal in Iowa. Not legal in Minnesota. Now what?
What is the penalty for owning one? Are the existing owners grandfathered?
What are they to do with their now prohibited component?

Doesn't the Bruen ruling provide constitutional guidance for prohibiting these kinds of component and accessory restrictions?

The language as passed is in the 4th Engrossment of HF 5247, which you can find here:
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/bill.p ... n=0&y=2024

Does it now become a NFA item?

States do not control what becomes a NFA item - federal law does. It will be completely banned in MN effective 1/1/2025. Possession is a 20-year felony.

If you have a class III FFL are you still prohibited from owning/using one?

No, there is an exception in MN 609.67 that was left unchanged.

So... Legal in Iowa. Not legal in Minnesota. Now what?

Possession in Minnesota is a 20 year felony.

What is the penalty for owning one? Are the existing owners grandfathered?

20 years in state prison.

There is no grandfathering.

What are they to do with their now prohibited component?

Move out of state, surrender to law enforcement, destroy, sell to someone else before 1/1/2025.

Doesn't the Bruen ruling provide constitutional guidance for prohibiting these kinds of component and accessory restrictions?

Yes.

We'll have an explainer up about this if/when it's signed by the Governor. And there will be more to come on what we may/may not do legally, but that will take some time to work through.

Thanks,
b

[jdege]

What, exactly, is their definition of "binary trigger."

[bstrawse]

What, exactly, is their definition of "binary trigger."

The definition is in the link to the bill above - but the specific language used is:

(3) a device that allows a firearm to shoot one shot on the pull of the trigger and a second
shot on the release of the trigger without requiring a subsequent pull of the trigger.

[dismal]

Isn’t the federal penalty for illegal machine gun possession just 10 years? And they’re giving 20 years for binary trigger possession while there’s Glock switches running around?

[daleamn]

Isn’t the federal penalty for illegal machine gun possession just 10 years? And they’re giving 20 years for binary trigger possession...

A good point.

I suspect there are people in Minnesota government that really, really, really, really, really, really, really don't like guns.

And it's possible they might not like people either.

[bstrawse]

Isn’t the federal penalty for illegal machine gun possession just 10 years? And they’re giving 20 years for binary trigger possession while there’s Glock switches running around?

last year they raised these state penalty from.5 years to 20 years - but yeah, you get the point.

[Holland&Holland]

But those with glock switches are turning their lives around, those with binary triggers probably vote the wrong way and can not be saved.

[Rip Van Winkle]

And it's possible they might not like people either.

They absolutely HATE the people who dare to disagree with them politicly.

[Rip Van Winkle]

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[Lumpy]

My DFL representative sent out an update flier about this session's accomplishments including "strengthened gun violence prevention measures".

[atomic41]

What, exactly, is their definition of "binary trigger."

The definition is in the link to the bill above - but the specific language used is:

(3) a device that allows a firearm to shoot one shot on the pull of the trigger and a second
shot on the release of the trigger without requiring a subsequent pull of the trigger.

Brian, I'm curious to hear your thoughts on the Hoffman Tactical Super Safety. This is a forced reset action and still requires a trigger pull for every shot. I'm guessing the gun grabbers were not aware of this or they would have worded it to include forced reset style triggers.

Interestingly, the AFT didn't even go after these devices as they did some of the others recently. So on a Federal level, it seems to fall into a nice gap. What do you think of this tech and our new rule in MN?