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Re: Harris Promises to TRAMPLE 2nd+4th Amendment Rights, Violate

Postby Ranb on Sat Oct 12, 2024 12:43 am

crbutler wrote:Where did that come from? We already have a bunch of laws against religious bias. We already have task groups about antisemitism. I don't care for an additional federal task force, but there are already laws and policies that actually allow for this kind of thing.

Establishment of a state sponsored religion is forbidden. Look at historical practice by the men who wrote the constitution to show that they were not against the mention of god in the public arena.

I was quoting the GOP platform. They are only interested in protecting christians.

crbutler wrote:Where the heck is the no due process part with red flag laws coming from? As I understand it, all restraining orders are kind of after the fact due process, but the places that have done them and not had due process are all democrat constituencies.

Trump said he wants to take the guns 1st, due process 2nd. Only an idiot would think they could get due process after their guns were taken if they were not entitled to it before. But Trump thinks you and I have foolish enough to believe him. Trump is on C-Span saying this; about five years ago and he has not backed down from this at all. https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4716589/ ... ess-second


crbutler wrote: Which party has done an AWB? I also think that Trump has the sense that an actual ban of AR 15's is impossible in this country. Its possible that Trump learned something after his bump stock ban failed. He's certainly courted the pro 2A crowd politically, unlike the democrats.

Why do you think Trump learned anything after his gun grab was struck down? I think he has not learned a thing. How did he court you on guns? Was it his failure to push for CCW reciprocity or his failure to push for silencer deregulation? Obama pushed for an AWB and failed. But the Obama administration wrote 41F which was the greatest easing of firearm restrictions in the USA since the sunset of the AWB that Bush was willing to extend.

I recall back in 2017 being rather confident that the GOP controlled Congress and white House would make real headway on our 2nd Amendment rights. But they were happy to sit on their hands instead. Well Trump didn't, he had the ATF do a gun grab for him in 2018.

crbutler wrote:As to your prior point, while contraband is never registered, the things were not contraband when they were purchased. That's part of why this rule got overturned. There are a lot of machine guns legally in this country, and his rule did nothing about those. Frankly, the whole rule is one of the things why I don't like Trump. Most of the time he goes off half-assed and doesn't attend to detail. In this case, it worked in our favor, but in other instances it caused good policy attempts to fall apart.

What worked in our favor? The bump stock ban? How? The court made it clear that the reason they overturned the gun grab was because "the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives was wrong to interpret the federal ban on machine guns to extend to bump stocks". https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/06/supr ... stock-ban/

crbutler wrote:Why did Trump go after bump stocks?

I think Trump did it to show how powerful he was.

crbutler wrote:Look at his wall that Mexico was going to pay for... the guy is a shoot from the hip big ideas type who isn't particularly burdened by thinking about consequences.

We need a president that thinks about the consequences. A fool like Trump who does not think is going to get us into a nuclear war.

crbutler wrote:For all your commentary about being anti-Harris, it seems you have just about admitted you are pro Harris... saying a party who is silent on an issue is a greater danger than someone who openly advocates for the issue involved?

I am not pro-Harris. Care to quote the words that make me so in your opinion? Being vague is not going to work.
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Re: Harris Promises to TRAMPLE 2nd+4th Amendment Rights, Violate

Postby Holland&Holland on Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:12 pm

So who are you voting for then?
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Re: Harris Promises to TRAMPLE 2nd+4th Amendment Rights, Violate

Postby Ranb on Mon Oct 14, 2024 4:30 am

Holland&Holland wrote:So who are you voting for then?

I voted for a 3rd party.
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Re: Harris Promises to TRAMPLE 2nd+4th Amendment Rights, Violate

Postby Erud on Mon Oct 14, 2024 5:22 am

Ranb wrote:
Holland&Holland wrote:So who are you voting for then?

I voted for a 3rd party.


That’ll teach ‘em.
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Re: Harris Promises to TRAMPLE 2nd+4th Amendment Rights, Violate

Postby Lumpy on Mon Oct 14, 2024 9:52 am

Ranb wrote:I voted for a 3rd party.


Which because the USA does not work on a parliamentary basis does absolutely nothing. Even if a third party had so much support that it could deny both the Dems and the Pubs an Electoral College plurality, all that would do would be to throw every national election into the House of Representatives, where assuredly the brokers behind the System would see things done their way.
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Re: Harris Promises to TRAMPLE 2nd+4th Amendment Rights, Violate

Postby Holland&Holland on Mon Oct 14, 2024 11:47 am

Ranb wrote:
Holland&Holland wrote:So who are you voting for then?

I voted for a 3rd party.

You do you.
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Re: Harris Promises to TRAMPLE 2nd+4th Amendment Rights, Violate

Postby Ranb on Mon Oct 14, 2024 12:19 pm

Holland&Holland wrote:You do you.

Of course. I'll not be the one who votes for the gun grabber then cries when the leopard eats my face.

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/leopards ... aces-party
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Re: Harris Promises to TRAMPLE 2nd+4th Amendment Rights, Violate

Postby crbutler on Mon Oct 14, 2024 2:57 pm

Some of us have actually hunted leopards and been around them in the wild.

Suffice it to say the odds of a leopard eating your face is a heck of a lot lower than a Harris admin passing more gun control.
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Re: Harris Promises to TRAMPLE 2nd+4th Amendment Rights, Violate

Postby Erud on Mon Oct 14, 2024 3:24 pm

Ranb wrote:
Holland&Holland wrote:You do you.

Of course. I'll not be the one who votes for the gun grabber then cries when the leopard eats my face.

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/leopards ... aces-party


Voting for a candidate who has a 0% chance of winning and actually affecting anything will not prevent your face from being eaten. I guess maybe you can avoid the crying part or something?
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Re: Harris Promises to TRAMPLE 2nd+4th Amendment Rights, Violate

Postby Ranb on Mon Oct 14, 2024 9:32 pm

crbutler wrote:Some of us have actually hunted leopards and been around them in the wild.

Suffice it to say the odds of a leopard eating your face is a heck of a lot lower than a Harris admin passing more gun control.

Is Harris more likely than Trump to pass more gun control? Trump has one gun grab under his belt now, and he claims he is ready for more.

Do you think Harris will wait for Congress to take action or will she do it like Biden, Bush and Trump?
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Re: Harris Promises to TRAMPLE 2nd+4th Amendment Rights, Violate

Postby Ranb on Mon Oct 14, 2024 9:34 pm

Erud wrote:Voting for a candidate who has a 0% chance of winning and actually affecting anything will not prevent your face from being eaten. I guess maybe you can avoid the crying part or something?

I will never have to admit that I voted for Trump and hoped he would not screw us over, again. I'm just not that stupid.
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Re: Harris Promises to TRAMPLE 2nd+4th Amendment Rights, Violate

Postby Lumpy on Tue Oct 15, 2024 1:38 pm

So your position is that on death row you'll be able to say "but I never picked cotton"?
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Re: Harris Promises to TRAMPLE 2nd+4th Amendment Rights, Violate

Postby Ranb on Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:36 pm

Lumpy wrote:So your position is that on death row you'll be able to say "but I never picked cotton"?

I'm going to need you to explain that one better.

How is it that you don't understand the concept of drawing a line in the sand? Trump has made it clear he does not like gun owners, widows (the ones whose property he covets) the military (especially POW's), women (except to sexually assault them as a perk of wealth), or anyone not named Trump (except he says some of his relatives should just die). I will not cross that line and support anyone that vile.
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Re: Harris Promises to TRAMPLE 2nd+4th Amendment Rights, Violate

Postby Lumpy on Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:41 pm

Oh there's plenty to hate about Trump, no argument there. But your arguments that we should abandon the election to Harris because that's supposed to somehow help the rtkaba fall flat.

Ranb wrote:I'm going to need you to explain that one better.


Ranb wrote:
Erud wrote:Voting for a candidate who has a 0% chance of winning and actually affecting anything will not prevent your face from being eaten. I guess maybe you can avoid the crying part or something?

I will never have to admit that I voted for Trump and hoped he would not screw us over, again. I'm just not that stupid.


As per the song made famous by Roy Clark and Johnny Cash, being able to say that you never compromised may be a cold comfort.
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Re: Harris Promises to TRAMPLE 2nd+4th Amendment Rights, Violate

Postby Ranb on Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:10 pm

It will be of no comfort at all.
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