New gun, new TV, and the loss prevention guy at Best Buy

[phorvick]

Long story, but I needed to get a .22 revolver today for a class tomorrow. Coincidently, also wanted to replace a 10 year old TV with an HD unit. So...

Off to Scheel's and I buy a "new" Ruger Single Six, 50th Anniversay edition. I am the second owner...the gun has never been fired, but as the 2nd owner it was considered "used". Nice gun.

I then go off to Best Buy to get the TV that I had ordered online earlier in the day to pick up at the store. I get the unit from Customer Service and am heading out the door. The fellow asks for the receipt, and I show it, he looks at it, and I head home. I get home and take the receipt out for the TV and put it in the box....just in case we want to return it to Best Buy.

I look at the receipt....and, it is the Scheel's gun receipt. When I was leaving Best Buy, and the fellow asked for the receipt, I showed him the gun receipt. Apparently they do not look at them with great dilligence!

[Fast351]

Damn, and here I was looking for a story of their security frisking you and finding a gun....

*yawn*

[GregM]

GOOD ONE!

[farmerj]

And just why did you show him your receipt?

Did we not learn something in the other thread.????

I mean, we must stand UP against the Man, so that we will not be trodden into the ground like the scum that we are.


I thought that you were gonna tell us some neat story on how they had a cow or something you had a pistol in the store.

[chunkstyle]

Maybe we should all just carry a gun receipt, for just this purpose!

[DeanC]

Maybe we should all just carry a gun receipt, for just this purpose!

Something like flashing your permit to carry when they ask for ID?

[joelr]

Maybe we should all just carry a gun receipt, for just this purpose!

Something like flashing your permit to carry when they ask for ID?

I've done that, once, and regretted it. (Nothing bad happened, but it was, all in all, the wrong way to respond to a clerk's rudeness.)

[Seismic Sam]

Actually, over at packing.org about 2 years ago there was quite a thread about a guy who had been carrying with permit in a Best Buy in another state, and got accosted by the rent-a-cop because he had a gun, and was wrestled to the ground by the rent-a-cop in an attempt to get the gun off him, and mace may have been involved. The case wound up in court, and while the rent-a-cop wasn't fired and Best Buy OF COURSE denied any complicity in one of it's employee's misdeeds, the plaintiff DID manage to force the rent-a-cop to attend basic NRA gun safety training as part of his punishment. The thread was very detailed with lot of follow-ups, and to this day I still regard Best Buy as one of the biggest anti establishments that I go into.

[chunkstyle]

got accosted by the rent-a-cop because he had a gun, and was wrestled to the ground by the rent-a-cop in an attempt to get the gun off him,

And that's one rent-a-thug, er, cop, that's lucky to still be drawing oxygen. Imagine what would have happened if the victim had been LE, instead of CCW?

[farmerj]

And a good reason you take a defensive handgun course.

It's one thing to get a carry permit, it's another to learn what to do with it after the permit arrives.

[hammAR]

And a good reason you take a defensive handgun course.

It's one thing to get a carry permit, it's another to learn what to do with it after the permit arrives.

So assume in that case you pulled your weapon but did not shoot, just to stop the guy from assaulting you, how deep would the trouble get.........

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[farmerj]

And a good reason you take a defensive handgun course.

It's one thing to get a carry permit, it's another to learn what to do with it after the permit arrives.

So assume in that case you pulled your weapon but did not shoot, just to stop the guy from assaulting you, how deep would the trouble get.........

.

Again, that is why you take a defensive handgun course. The "what if's" would be incredible here.

Defensive handgun is NOT only about pulling your gun and using it.

Want to be a gun slinger, join ISPC, IDPA or what not.

Want to carry defensive, take a defensive handgun course. Your mind is your ultimate defensive tool.

[princewally]

And a good reason you take a defensive handgun course.

It's one thing to get a carry permit, it's another to learn what to do with it after the permit arrives.

So assume in that case you pulled your weapon but did not shoot, just to stop the guy from assaulting you, how deep would the trouble get.........

.

IANAL

I believe that qualifies as use of force, which is covered by 609.06.

609.06 AUTHORIZED USE OF FORCE.
Subdivision 1. When authorized. Except as otherwise provided in subdivision 2, reasonable
force may be used upon or toward the person of another without the other's consent when the
following circumstances exist or the actor reasonably believes them to exist:
(1) when used by a public officer or one assisting a public officer under the public officer's
direction:
(a) in effecting a lawful arrest; or
(b) in the execution of legal process; or
(c) in enforcing an order of the court; or
(d) in executing any other duty imposed upon the public officer by law; or
(2) when used by a person not a public officer in arresting another in the cases and in the
manner provided by law and delivering the other to an officer competent to receive the other
into custody; or
(3) when used by any person in resisting or aiding another to resist an offense against the
person; or
(4) when used by any person in lawful possession of real or personal property, or by
another assisting the person in lawful possession, in resisting a trespass upon or other unlawful
interference with such property; or
(5) when used by any person to prevent the escape, or to retake following the escape, of a
person lawfully held on a charge or conviction of a crime; or
(6) when used by a parent, guardian, teacher, or other lawful custodian of a child or pupil, in
the exercise of lawful authority, to restrain or correct such child or pupil; or
(7) when used by a school employee or school bus driver, in the exercise of lawful authority,
to restrain a child or pupil, or to prevent bodily harm or death to another; or
(8) when used by a common carrier in expelling a passenger who refuses to obey a lawful
requirement for the conduct of passengers and reasonable care is exercised with regard to the
passenger's personal safety; or
(9) when used to restrain a person who is mentally ill or mentally defective from self-injury
or injury to another or when used by one with authority to do so to compel compliance with
reasonable requirements for the person's control, conduct, or treatment; or
(10) when used by a public or private institution providing custody or treatment against one
lawfully committed to it to compel compliance with reasonable requirements for the control,
conduct, or treatment of the committed person.
Subd. 2. Deadly force used against peace officers. Deadly force may not be used against
peace officers who have announced their presence and are performing official duties at a location
where a person is committing a crime or an act that would be a crime if committed by an adult.

So, theoretically, you wouldn't get into any trouble. However, pulling a gun on a rent-a-cop because he's an over-zealous dick probably qualifies as a really bad idea, not just from a PR standpoint. You may be authorized to point it, but, if there's no threat of GBH, you might as well be waving your.....nevermind. No GBH means you can't legally shoot, which means your gun should stay in its holster, IMHO.

IANAL

[farmerj]

AOJP, Where does it fit into the scenario?

Also goes back to, what is legal, is not always logical.

[jac714]

And a good reason you take a defensive handgun course.

It's one thing to get a carry permit, it's another to learn what to do with it after the permit arrives.

So assume in that case you pulled your weapon but did not shoot, just to stop the guy from assaulting you, how deep would the trouble get.........

.

Again, that is why you take a defensive handgun course. The "what if's" would be incredible here.

Defensive handgun is NOT only about pulling your gun and using it.

Want to be a gun slinger, join ISPC, IDPA or what not.

Want to carry defensive, take a defensive handgun course. Your mind is your ultimate defensive tool.

I have to take offense at your characterization of IDPA and IPSC shooters as "Gun slinger"s. I am in agreement with taking a course; I have taken several and shoot IDPA as a skills practice that is more fun than standing on a range and working on draw and fire.

I invite you to join us for an IDPA shoot sometime and find out what it is about. Everyone I have met through IDPA was the antithesis of a gunslinger.