Democrats Defeat Concealed Weapons Amendment

[hammAR]

I don't expect either of our senators to ever break from their party line.

..that's about as safe a bet as Teddy K getting elected to President in 2012...........

[Pat]

More and more Democrats are seeing the light. I think we'll get more mileage our of another favorable SCOTUS decision.

[ComradeBurg]

Although it sucks we lost this one and even though it was expected it really sucks to be screwed over by our senators we got close. In fact we got very close. I'm guessing the gun grabbers are breathing a sigh of relief but crapping themselves over how much clout we seem to have even with the democrats.

I think we'll get national reciprocity eventually, it'll just take time.

[RobD]

Although it sucks we lost this one and even though it was expected it really sucks to be screwed over by our senators we got close. In fact we got very close. I'm guessing the gun grabbers are breathing a sigh of relief but crapping themselves over how much clout we seem to have even with the democrats.

I think we'll get national reciprocity eventually, it'll just take time.

I really don't think it has that much to do with who the party politics as much as their own political futures. When I look at the vote breakdown by state, it looks like most the Senators were voting with their state gun views in mind, rather then the Dem party.

Double Yays
Alabama: Sessions (R-AL), Yea Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Alaska: Begich (D-AK), Yea Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Arizona: Kyl (R-AZ), Yea McCain (R-AZ), Yea
Arkansas: Lincoln (D-AR), Yea Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Colorado: Bennet (D-CO), Yea Udall (D-CO), Yea
Georgia: Chambliss (R-GA), Yea Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Idaho: Crapo (R-ID), Yea Risch (R-ID), Yea
Kansas: Brownback (R-KS), Yea Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Kentucky: Bunning (R-KY), Yea McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Louisiana: Landrieu (D-LA), Yea Vitter (R-LA), Yea
Maine: Collins (R-ME), Yea Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Mississippi: Cochran (R-MS), Yea Wicker (R-MS), Yea
Montana: Baucus (D-MT), Yea Tester (D-MT), Yea
Nebraska: Johanns (R-NE), Yea Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Nevada: Ensign (R-NV), Yea Reid (D-NV), Yea
North Carolina: Burr (R-NC), Yea Hagan (D-NC), Yea
North Dakota: Conrad (D-ND), Yea Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Oklahoma: Coburn (R-OK), Yea Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
South Carolina: DeMint (R-SC), Yea Graham (R-SC), Yea
South Dakota: Johnson (D-SD), Yea Thune (R-SD), Yea
Tennessee: Alexander (R-TN), Yea Corker (R-TN), Yea
Texas: Cornyn (R-TX), Yea Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Utah: Bennett (R-UT), Yea Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Virginia: Warner (D-VA), Yea Webb (D-VA), Yea
Wyoming: Barrasso (R-WY), Yea Enzi (R-WY), Yea

Double Nays
California: Boxer (D-CA), Nay Feinstein (D-CA), Nay
Connecticut: Dodd (D-CT), Nay Lieberman (ID-CT), Nay
Hawaii: Akaka (D-HI), Nay Inouye (D-HI), Nay
Illinois: Burris (D-IL), Nay Durbin (D-IL), Nay
Michigan: Levin (D-MI), Nay Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
Minnesota: Franken (D-MN), Nay Klobuchar (D-MN), Nay
New Jersey: Lautenberg (D-NJ), Nay Menendez (D-NJ), Nay
New York: Gillibrand (D-NY), Nay Schumer (D-NY), Nay
Ohio: Brown (D-OH), Nay Voinovich (R-OH), Nay
Oregon: Merkley (D-OR), Nay Wyden (D-OR), Nay
Rhode Island: Reed (D-RI), Nay Whitehouse (D-RI), Nay
Vermont: Leahy (D-VT), Nay Sanders (I-VT), Nay
Washington: Cantwell (D-WA), Nay Murray (D-WA), Nay


Mixed
Florida: Martinez (R-FL), Yea Nelson (D-FL), Nay
Indiana: Bayh (D-IN), Yea Lugar (R-IN), Nay
Iowa: Grassley (R-IA), Yea Harkin (D-IA), Nay
Maryland: Cardin (D-MD), Nay Mikulski (D-MD), Not Voting
Massachusetts: Kennedy (D-MA), Not Voting Kerry (D-MA), Nay
Missouri: Bond (R-MO), Yea McCaskill (D-MO), Nay
New Hampshire: Gregg (R-NH), Yea Shaheen (D-NH), Nay
New Mexico: Bingaman (D-NM), Nay Udall (D-NM), Yea
Pennsylvania: Casey (D-PA), Yea Specter (D-PA), Nay
West Virginia: Byrd (D-WV), Not Voting Rockefeller (D-WV), Nay
Wisconsin: Feingold (D-WI), Yea Kohl (D-WI), Nay

[lenny7]

Mixed
Maryland: Cardin (D-MD), Nay Mikulski (D-MD), Not Voting
Massachusetts: Kennedy (D-MA), Not Voting Kerry (D-MA), Nay
West Virginia: Byrd (D-WV), Not Voting Rockefeller (D-WV), Nay

I'm just pickin' nits here, but not voting is the same as voting Nay.

[RobD]

Mixed
Maryland: Cardin (D-MD), Nay Mikulski (D-MD), Not Voting
Massachusetts: Kennedy (D-MA), Not Voting Kerry (D-MA), Nay
West Virginia: Byrd (D-WV), Not Voting Rockefeller (D-WV), Nay

I'm just pickin' nits here, but not voting is the same as voting Nay.

but can't speak for them.

[DeanC]

I'm just pickin' nits here, but not voting is the same as voting Nay.

When you need 60 votes to pass the bill and you only get 58, the ultimate result is precisely the same.

[Pat]

Byrd usually votes pro gun. Maybe he's not well; he's getting up there...

[chunkstyle]

This bill was deeply flawed from the start. It was best not passed.

[DeanC]

This bill was deeply flawed from the start. It was best not passed.

You are probably right.

[westberg]

This bill was deeply flawed from the start. It was best not passed.

What are the flaws?

[1911fan]

Rethinking the title. The Anti Gun, Anti Civil Rights Dem leadership BARELY managed to block the most important new national gun rights bill in over a decade. This is a kick in the teeth and very nearly a kick in the balls of the entire anti gun anti self defense camp. Think about it. Flawed or otherwise. We came with in TWO votes of being able to travel to NY, CA, MA, and NJ, and being legal carrying a gun there.


My goodness, the devil must be scraping frost off the windows and wondering what the heck happened to the heat.

[chunkstyle]

Rethinking the title. The Anti Gun, Anti Civil Rights Dem leadership BARELY managed to block the most important new national gun rights bill in over a decade. This is a kick in the teeth and very nearly a kick in the balls of the entire anti gun anti self defense camp. Think about it. Flawed or otherwise. We came with in TWO votes of being able to travel to NY, CA, MA, and NJ, and being legal carrying a gun there.


My goodness, the devil must be scraping frost off the windows and wondering what the heck happened to the heat.

Yes. That, in a filibuster-proof Senate. Few Republicans crossed the aisle, but many Democrats did. This says much about where the center of that party is, and how marginalized the VPC/Bradys truly are.

[chunkstyle]

This bill was deeply flawed from the start. It was best not passed.

What are the flaws?

Primarily, too much Federal control over the permit system. It would be best kept under state control, like driver's licenses. When ALL US jurisdictions are made to accept permits from anywhere, then it'll be worth it. Not until.

Think about it. Basically the rule was to be that if you had a permit, you could carry, provided the state you carried in issued permits. This would become a wedge issue in the restrictive states (such as Maryland, Hawaii, or New Jersey), prodding their legislatures to ban carry outright. We would lose ground.

We need our permits to be accepted on all US soil, even Illinois, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands. Then banning in-state would have no effect on people with out-state permits.

[nyffman]

This is like the question regarding the chicken and the egg. Either the 2nd needs to be incorporated before a law like this would work or maybe something like this would eventually help lead to incorporation.