Press Recomendations / Manual Loan Request

[RAGGED]

One other thing - as far as progressive presses are concerned, there is really only one choice, and that is Dillon.

That’s debatable at best, anyone who says otherwise better have owned/operated both for a considerable amount of time.

[DeanC]

One other thing - as far as progressive presses are concerned, there is really only one choice, and that is Dillon.

That’s debatable at best, anyone who says otherwise better have owned/operated both for a considerable amount of time.

I wouldn't say that. I am damned sure a Rolls Royce is a better car than a Ford Fiesta and I have never driven either.

[mmcnx2]

I have driven both and Dean you are right the Rolls is better and so is the Dillion.

[RAGGED]

One other thing - as far as progressive presses are concerned, there is really only one choice, and that is Dillon.

That’s debatable at best, anyone who says otherwise better have owned/operated both for a considerable amount of time.

I wouldn't say that. I am damned sure a Rolls Royce is a better car than a Ford Fiesta and I have never driven either.

So let me get this straight, you feel a $7,000 car vs $250,000 car is a good analogy when talking about a $400 press vs a $500 press? Riiiggghhhhttttt....... If that’s truly how you feel then so be it, I don't see how anyone could possibly come away thinking that after using it but you never know.

I have driven both and Dean you are right the Rolls is better and so is the Dillion.

I love when people make statements like "x product is the best". How can anyone possibly say that when its complete personal preference, I can't even fathom the thought of saying such a thing. Dillon makes a damn fine press, but I would argue the Hornady machine works just as well. IMHO it gives up nothing in build quality & customer service, nothing in end ammo quality and it does so for less money and substantially less change over time.

There are allot of Blue Koolaid drinkers out there. I hate to toss nasty words around but it seems a bit ignorant to judge something without having first hand use. This may not be the case here, maybe you have all used both, in that case its a free country and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. The only reason I even bother going against the blue grain is because I honestly feel there is a large number of people that would be better off with one over the other, just trying to help those people out, that’s all.


So the question is,DeanC, mmcnx2, how many rounds do you have on both machines? I have 5,000+ on a Dillion 650XL with case feeder and 20,000+ on my LNL AP, I feel I'm more than qualified to at least weigh in on the subject, and remember I've never once said one is better than the other, only that the LNL AP should at least be considered, I don’t see how you can argue with that but I am constantly surprised at what people will argue about.


This was a good read http://www.comrace.ca/cmfiles/dillonLeeHornadyComparison.PDF

Also a simple Google search on the subject will lead you to a plethora of good reads on the subject, mostly on THR, from what I’ve seen in the past two years there seems to be a real strong following growing.


Ok I'm done, we got 20 Mahi Mahi this morning and I got some eating to do!

[Stradawhovious]

Here we go again!

Now if we could just find a way to infuse a "1911 vs Glock" debate into all of this, we will have at 200 page rootin' tootin' blowout by the end of the day tomorrow.



Dillon is the way to go.

[White Horseradish]

Dillon is the way to go.

For Glocks.



See what I did there?

[mnglocker]

Dillon is the way to go.

For Glocks.



See what I did there?

Well of course, the Dillon will be able to keep up with feeding the Glocks, and a 1911 won't even ingest enough ammo without jamming to worry about falling behind on using a lee classic loader.

[DeanC]

I have 5,000+ on a Dillion 650XL with case feeder and 20,000+ on my LNL AP, I feel I'm more than qualified to at least weigh in on the subject, and remember I've never once said one is better than the other, only that the LNL AP should at least be considered, I don’t see how you can argue with that but I am constantly surprised at what people will argue about.

Aha! So you do have a bias! Maybe if instead of assaulting, you came out and expressed your opinion in a reasonable way people would take you more seriously instead of writing you off as a grouch.

[RAGGED]

I have 5,000+ on a Dillion 650XL with case feeder and 20,000+ on my LNL AP, I feel I'm more than qualified to at least weigh in on the subject, and remember I've never once said one is better than the other, only that the LNL AP should at least be considered, I don’t see how you can argue with that but I am constantly surprised at what people will argue about.

Aha! So you do have a bias! Maybe if instead of assaulting, you came out and expressed your opinion in a reasonable way people would take you more seriously instead of writing you off as a grouch.

Assaulting? How so? I just said anyone weighing in on this should probably have some first hand experience. I think we all know how it would be looked upon if someone started arguing with a veteran reloader over something only to find out they newb had never loaded a round, so why should that be any different here? So you accuse me of having a bias but its clear others have even more of bias then myself…. Right… I think I get how this goes, a person is only non bias if they agree with you, if they don’t they are biased…..

Just out of curiosity, wouldn’t want to assume anything…but how many rounds have you loaded on both machines?

Also what do you feel are the strengths of the Dillion machine over the Hornady? I’m truly/honestly wondering this because I have used both and can’t say the Dillion triumphed over the Hornady.

Being completely objective I can say the powder dispenser on the Dillion is a bit smother due to its design, the sliding mechanism just feels more precise BUT from my experience with larger grain powders in both I found the Hornady powder dispenser works better for the bigger stuff, so it’s a give and take. If I was out to load pistol and only pistol (one main caliber) I may be inclined to go with the Dillion. Dillion does have the bells and whistles, no doubt about that, but they will cost you and cost you plenty. If a person is even somewhat handy they could easily modify many of them to work on the other press, like the alarms and such. But for a total do all machine I really like the LNL AP. Like I said its all about matching to the owner. Some guys don’t have a need to switch calibers often, or they don’t need a large amount of rifle ammo and would just stick with a single stage for such. But some do and I feel its just silly not to consider other machines at all. Making a blanket statement like “Dillion is the best” just doesn’t make sense to me, best for who, you? Me? Some other guy? Everyone’s needs are different and until you know what those needs are there is no way to know which would be a better fit.

Like I said before the only reason I even bother speaking up (trust me it gets REALLY old) is that I would love every fellow shooter to have the best possible press for their needs, if they don’t I feel like they will be missing out.

But I guess I’ll shut up if that’s what you all want, the opposition has been successfully stifled, Dillion is the best for everyone, regardless of their needs, say other wise (even in a polite constructive fashion) and you are a “biased” “grouchy” *******.

[MNBud]

Ragged, please take a deep breath. Not everyone on these forums has participated in the blue kool-aid. I have been reloading for 25 years on my own and then for 10 years prior to that with my father and this has all been done on single stage presses and I have no desire to switch to any progressive machines but I'm with you, that I would look at the options that are out there and not automatically drink the blue stuff. My main point of this however is that you can't get worked up this bad over others opinions. There are people on your side or Hornady would have gone out of business by now.

[DeanC]

The question is Ragged: do you want to share ideas or pick a fight?

From your previous posts, it seems it is the latter.

[RAGGED]

The question is Ragged: do you want to share ideas or pick a fight?

From your previous posts, it seems it is the latter.

I'm sorry, apparently asking people to speak from experience instead of ????????? is "picking a fight" (I did not know this, my bad). Could I have worded my first response more kindly? Possibly, but SS sure as hell doesn't go easy on "newbs" that say dumb **** so I assumed that rule applied to all on this board, not just him, say something dumb (or at least debatable), get called on it, seems fair enough to me. I'm sure next time I say something dumb (it will and does happen,often) SS or the like will be on my ass like bees on honey. Just for you Dean I'll be sure to put on the kid gloves before I post next time, no hard feelings

[1911fan]

Seismic has earned the right to be a dickhead to anyone he choses to. sorry. mods you may clean that up if needed.

Ragged, you got a heck of a lot of stuff to bring to the table, we have seen your rifle and the way it shoots and that in itself shows a lot.


As far as the Red, vs Green, vs Blue koolaid™ wars, its hairsplitting. Dillon has done a great job of making progressives that work very affordable and appealing to a lot of people. The others took too long to get into the fight, and although they have good products, the inertia of Dillons great service model has kept them in the forefront of the market sector.

As far as the other stuff, take a deep breath, show up at the Gopher on a night when I am healthy enough to drink, and I will buy you a beer or more. We are really all only dickheads on the internet, in person, frankly, most of us are pretty decent. So if you get to know us, you will understand us more and realize we are all pretty much full of it up to our eyes and hey, we're okay with that.

[DeanC]

The difference is Sam only goes apey when somebody is doing something dangerous. When it comes to things that are a matter of preference, he is a sweety-pie.

I really am interested in hearing more about why people think one thing is better than another. I'm not interested in hearing that people who haven't done such and such to a certain level aren't entitled to an opinion.

As far as my opinion, you just have to look at my sig line.

[mnglocker]

The difference is Sam only goes apey when somebody is doing something dangerous. When it comes to things that are a matter of preference, he is a sweety-pie.

I really am interested in hearing more about why people think one thing is better than another. I'm not interested in hearing that people who haven't done such and such to a certain level aren't entitled to an opinion.

As far as my opinion, you just have to look at my sig line.

The Red of Harnady clashes with my eyes.