Smith and Wesson M&P15...

[Holland&Holland]

Sometimes the best isn't in somebody's budget. Pump shotgun works for my house. They always work

And we have a winner...

870 is the FIRST thing that I grab when something goes bump in the night.

Um, I have had an 870 jam once, just saying... any mechanical devise can fail.

[codilly]

Sometimes the best isn't in somebody's budget. Pump shotgun works for my house. They always work

And we have a winner...

870 is the FIRST thing that I grab when something goes bump in the night.

Um, I have had an 870 jam once, just saying... any mechanical devise can fail.

I have an 870 wingmaster that is either from 52 or 54 can't remember off the top of my head. It has never had a single part replaced and has never once failed my father or myself. It no longer gets used anymore but I bet if I went and threw some 2-3/4 or shorter lol in it the thing would eat them up. My point is maintain them and don't change mess with anything and it will work. Yeah it can fail but it is usually due to poor maintaince, not being properly re assembled or people throwing a bunch of after market stuff on theirs.

[Pinnacle]

Holland

You are absolutely CORRECT, however to be clear - was it a JAM or a Malfunction? Malfunctions can be cleared a Jam goes to the Gunsmith

I however, consider a Shotgun to be the best choice for my personal and home defense situation, I know how to use a Shotgun quite well and am a lot more comfortable with it over just about anything else.

The object of the exercise, at least for me is to make someone STOP what they are doing RIGHT NOW - there is just no Argument with a 12ga. I tend to stay away from Semi Auto Rifles and I spent an awful lot of time with them - the only "Battle Rifle" I would consider owning is a Tavor X95....

No mroe Ar15's for me. I consider them to be Marginal at best for my purposes and once bitten twice shy. I am not a big fan of Gas Tranfer Guns.

[Holland&Holland]

Holland

You are absolutely CORRECT, however to be clear - was it a JAM or a Malfunction? Malfunctions can be cleared a Jam goes to the Gunsmith

I however, consider a Shotgun to be the best choice for my personal and home defense situation, I know how to use a Shotgun quite well and am a lot more comfortable with it over just about anything else.

The object of the exercise, at least for me is to make someone STOP what they are doing RIGHT NOW - there is just no Argument with a 12ga. I tend to stay away from Semi Auto Rifles and I spent an awful lot of time with them - the only "Battle Rifle" I would consider owning is a Tavor X95....

No mroe Ar15's for me. I consider them to be Marginal at best for my purposes and once bitten twice shy. I am not a big fan of Gas Tranfer Guns.

It did go into a smith and I do not beleive it was due to poor maintenance as it was always broken down and cleaned thoroughly after every use and it was quite a few years ago so I do not recall completely what was the issue, however if I recall correctly it "locked up" after the last shot and try as we all could no-ine in the group could get the action to open up and eject the spent shell. It went into the smith and worked flawlessly for many many rounds after that.

I get your point and do not disagree. Happen to have 2 870's myself. I guess my smart-rear comment was more directed at the legend of the 870 as God's gift to the shotgun world and while it is undeniably a very reliable and proven system, even it is not infalable. Just like to be a crumudgen now and then.

As you stated a pump shotgun is often the best choice for home defense and has been my go to for this purpose many times.

[Pinnacle]

I have seen with my own 2 eyes people WALK away from major caliber hits in the upper torso - never seen activity continue after a 12ga round placed similarly.

[PHATSPEED7x]

And I'm glad to see another one of my threads go derailed...

[Pinnacle]

And I'm glad to see another one of my threads go derailed...

It's how we roll

[PHATSPEED7x]

Well I did decide on a new AR-15, and I did pick it up today. See my other thread...