Don't Cry Wolf

[whiteox]

@joeH -
My position is that the majority of Obama voters / supporters (99%?) are like the woman interviewed after the 2008 DNC convention in Denver... you remember her?
"I'm so excited because if Obama wins I won't have to worry about my mortgage or my car or gas"
If they aren't already getting their mortgage and gas, etc. paid for by the government that's what they voted to get.

I'm not sure where to go with this. On the one hand, it makes me happy because as long as the Republican party continues to view the Democrats like this they're going to continue to lose elections. BADLY.

On the other hand it is profoundly disappointing to think that a nation forged from citizens sacrificing their land, livelihoods and their very lives has fallen to the point where a substantial part of the populace views the american ideal as a party that has lower taxes as it's single unifying principle, and views any effort to raise enough revenue to actually pay the country's bills as 'armed robbery'.

I voted for Obama with the express hope that he would both raise my taxes and balance the budget. I have to accept the fact that our current fiscal situation requires reductions in so-called entitlement programs. I find the notion that we can put cuts social security, medicare and medicaid on the table, but raising tax rates on folks who bring home more than $250,000 per year is not even up for discussion is disgusting.

Seriously. We have men and women serving 3 and 4 years in Iraq and Afghanistan and you can't be asked to pay 3% more in your income taxes because that's Socialism?!!!

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

[texasprowler]

Re: whiteox

Rare to see honest opinion from the left. Refreshing.

The unifying principle of the right is less government, not lower taxes.

I wouldn't object to higher taxes to pay off the debt, I do object that both Bush and Obama done spent it all in advance. That there is a deficit, is just plain theft.

The problem with asking my employer to pay more taxes is that his pay will remain the same. He will pass the extra expense to customers, who don't earn 250k, or stop giving me cost of living raises, or not hire a new employee, dumping the extra work on me for no additional pay.

And for what does this extra tax money go to? MY food stamps!
They want to take money out of my check to give back to me!!!

What is so wrong with people using their own money to provide for their own needs, without govt edict?

[JKalsbeck1961]

We don't have a problem of income to the treasury it's the useless outgo.

It's the ridiculous idea in government that a 10% increase is a cut because it's not the 20% they want.
Try freezing the spending for a few years for once. Can't do that though because we'll kill grandma and grandpa and throw welfare Maggie out in the street.

It's the asinine notion that somehow the money I earn first belongs to the government and what they don't need I'm allowed to keep. (Yet they can redistribute it to people who make unemployment and welfare a career.)
And if you think that's not their true attitude think again. I saw a news story on a guy who was up before a judge on a tax issue and the judge flat out said he stole the GOVERNMENT'S money. Really????? That's a problem. They think that all we are is their money trough. I'm tired of it.

It's an idiotic built in government system of waste that says if your agency doesn't use all of your funding you lose it. Well, what if you don't need it this year but something comes up next year? You're screwed so you better use everything this year even if you don't need it.

It's making the Air Force take more aircraft than even they say they need (or worse take delivery on aircraft they don't want) because it's good temporarily for a congressman's district or a senator's state.

It's the insane policy of taking social security (which killed pensions by the way) funds and giving them to people who never contributed. When my dad passed away, my brother received $2300 a year in social security benefits until he turned 18. Why? One person at that amount isn't much but you can bet it was tens of thousands of kids getting that money as well and for a longer period of time.

It's standing up in front of the nation grinning from ear to ear because you just supposedly "saved" the economy by miraculously printing $750 billion and giving it to banks. Only to do the same thing again a couple of months later. Look, if you're going to try to save the average Joe (whom Democrats claim to be the great protetctor of) then give them the money. At least then they could get their mortgages caught up or out of debt which saves them and the bank. They knew they pulled a fast one. They knew that it was their fault for making banks give loans to people who couldn't afford it and the government guaranteed the loans. They didn't save the economy, they "saved" their own asses. Especially Barney Frank and Chris Dodd's. I'm not for printing the money in the first place but if you're going to do it anyway then give it back to the people who earned it not just the people that you owe political favors.

No, I served my 4 years in the military NOT to have my government squander the money LEFT and RIGHT. Until they can prove they know how to handle the money they get they should get no more increases just as I have had to deal with at my house. So if that makes me mean, greedy and an ass$%le. Guilty. I'll accept that label gladly.

The problem with "Tax the rich, feed the poor til there are no rich no more" is that all you will have left is poor.

[Heffay]

The problem with "Tax the rich, feed the poor til there are no rich no more" is that all you will have left is poor.

That's called rhetoric, and has absolutely no bearing on what is really being proposed.

[goalie]

You know how unreasonable the lefties sound when they act like we can solve a huge deficit problem with ONLY raising taxes?

That's exactly how unreasonable righties sound when they act like we can solve a huge deficit problem with ONLY spending cuts.

Justa say'n.....

[JKalsbeck1961]

@heffay
Really? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You go right on believing that because the middle class is inevitably next.

You can't tax only the "rich" at 100% and fix the mess both parties kicked down the road.
They'll incrementally keep increasing rates on the top 1%, then the top 10%, then the top 25% and so on.

Good God, all you have to do is watch freaking Greece. And what Obama and the Democrats want is exactly the same system
they use. It's unsustainable to expect 1% to pay for even the bottom 47%. Eventually you'll have to go after the precious "middle class" to pay for the promises.

Once national healthcare is in full swing and employers drop insurance altogether (as they did with the aforementioned pensions not long after social security was enacted)
they'll have to go after the even more precious poor with the hated tool called "austerity". And then you'll REALLY see riots.

[Heffay]

You can't tax only the "rich" at 100% and fix the mess both parties kicked down the road.
They'll incrementally keep increasing rates on the top 1%, then the top 10%, then the top 25% and so on.

Strangely enough, our country did just fine economically when the top tax rate was at 90%. In fact, most people on this forum wish we would go back to that era.

Since neither party has the cajones to cut defense and social security, there aren't a lot of other options.

[JKalsbeck1961]

You know how unreasonable the lefties sound when they act like we can solve a huge deficit problem with ONLY raising taxes?

That's exactly how unreasonable righties sound when they act like we can solve a huge deficit problem with ONLY spending cuts.

Justa say'n.....

So why does one "class' have to pay for it all? It seems we're all in this "together" as long as only one group of taxpayers pays for it.

I know, I know, Heffay....."'to those according to their need, from those according to their ability to pay" ....and I doubt most on here except you jealous class warfare types want to see a stifling 90% tax rate. And besides it was 70%

Why dont they they freeze spending for three years, push Obamacare out several years and increase taxes across the board 2%?

If you want to spread the wealth it seems only fair to spread the responsibility.

[Heffay]

Why dont they they freeze spending for three years, push Obamacare out several years and increase taxes across the board 2%?

Because you lost?

[infidel]

You know how unreasonable the lefties sound when they act like we can solve a huge deficit problem with ONLY raising taxes?

That's exactly how unreasonable righties sound when they act like we can solve a huge deficit problem with ONLY spending cuts.

Justa say'n.....

The immediate solution to any deficit, is to reduce expenses. Any entity that continues to spend more than it takes, is destined to bankruptcy, insolvency or destruction. To call ever increasing spending and raising taxes at the same time as a 'balanced' approach is ludicrous.

[Heffay]

The immediate solution to any deficit, is to reduce expenses.

There are 2 ways to fix a deficit, not just one.

[JKalsbeck1961]

Why dont they they freeze spending for three years, push Obamacare out several years and increase taxes across the board 2%?

Because you lost?

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.......HAHAHAHAHAHAHA silly Marxist. We ALL lost.

[infidel]

The immediate solution to any deficit, is to reduce expenses.

There are 2 ways to fix a deficit, not just one.

The correct way does not include printing money.

[Heffay]

Why dont they they freeze spending for three years, push Obamacare out several years and increase taxes across the board 2%?

Because you lost?

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.......HAHAHAHAHAHAHA silly Marxist. We ALL lost.

Oh. I found a video of you on youtube!

[JJ]

Why dont they they freeze spending for three years, push Obamacare out several years and increase taxes across the board 2%?

Because you lost?

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.......HAHAHAHAHAHAHA silly Marxist. We ALL lost.

That's the feeling I had when it became apparent Romney would be the candidate...to lose to Obummer...