Good words for Maple Grove PD

[roadkillbill]

Here is a turn around report on my PTP. I submitted the paper work Saturday morning, got a call it was ready to go early Friday afternoon. I'd say, Job well done!

[Spike]

Not quite on topic but the Maple Grove animal impound (PUPS) is top notch as well. 99% save rate for 2012.

[damian_mb]

Yup same with Minneapolis PD. Went in on Thursday for PTP and got it on the following Wednesday. The lady told me two weeks when I turned in my slip. Taking my CCW this weekend, hopefully the TAT isn't 2 months like my buddy said.

[rukwikenuf]

Yup same with Minneapolis PD. Went in on Thursday for PTP and got it on the following Wednesday. The lady told me two weeks when I turned in my slip. Taking my CCW this weekend, hopefully the TAT isn't 2 months like my buddy said.

firstly (and you'll learn this if you keep repeating CCW) in Minnesota we get Permits To Carry, not Concealed Weapons Permits, or Concealed Carry License. a CCW is a Concealed Carry Weapon, or a gun designed for civilian carry, instead of a duty gun, range gun, competition gun, hunting gun, etc. a CCW (the gun) would be something like a S&W J Frame or a Ruger LCP or a Springfield XDs.

secondly, the MN law states that they have 30 days to either issue you a permit or explain why they are denying you such permit. it is not a license, it's a permit

[XDM45]

Yup same with Minneapolis PD. Went in on Thursday for PTP and got it on the following Wednesday. The lady told me two weeks when I turned in my slip. Taking my CCW this weekend, hopefully the TAT isn't 2 months like my buddy said.

firstly (and you'll learn this if you keep repeating CCW) in Minnesota we get Permits To Carry, not Concealed Weapons Permits, or Concealed Carry License. a CCW is a Concealed Carry Weapon, or a gun designed for civilian carry, instead of a duty gun, range gun, competition gun, hunting gun, etc. a CCW (the gun) would be something like a S&W J Frame or a Ruger LCP or a Springfield XDs.

secondly, the MN law states that they have 30 days to either issue you a permit or explain why they are denying you such permit. it is not a license, it's a permit

I'm not trying to stir the pot (but I probably will anyway just by posting this), but this is a great example of a point that I've made before regarding legal differences and why the correct terminology and definitions matter so much.

The difference between CCW and PTC is a legal one; and the legality is the same reason why we need to use the correct terminology for "magazine" and "clip". If you're talking about a magazine, which is what it technically and legally is, don't call it a clip - and vice-versa is true as well. Now does it matter if you're just sitting around the bonfire and someone says "clip" for "magazine"? Well, it depends on how you look at it. In one way, no, it doesn't matter, but in another way, yes, it does matter. It matters because many people will parrot incorrect information as "fact", which causes problems because if enough people say it, if enough people see it, if enough people hear it, especially from multiple sources, then it MUST be true..... right????????

Wrong.

Repeating incorrect information does not make it correct any more than cancerous cells replicating produces healthy cells.

Take for example the most famous of all the infamous "assault rifle", for which we spend countless hours trying to defend and explain what an assault rifle is and isn't. Now, if everyone was on the same page, we wouldn't have that problem, especially when some other people are trying to ban them. Sadly, most people, aren't educated in many things, like for example firearms and computers, but unlike computers, firearms are a constitutional right and another topic of which most people aren't educated either. No one can know it all or be educated in everything or even most things, so in that regard, we'll all the same, but for those thing which are the very basis of our rights as US citizens, we need to be educated. Calling something it's not and being incorrect about what it is does not serve anyone except those who are against it and use the misinformation to their own advantage. Education and awareness are the ounce of prevention against a pound of ignorance and stupidity.

[benny]

So then my permit was a wast of time to get because it doesn't allow me to conceal my firearm? Minnesota is an open carry state bar local ordnances against that.
Or are you just stating that the permit is just that a "permit" not a "license" to conceal a firearm?

I am confused now on what my permit is actualy for.

Benny

[XDM45]

So then my permit was a wast of time to get because it doesn't allow me to conceal my firearm? Minnesota is an open carry state bar local ordnances against that.
Or are you just stating that the permit is just that a "permit" not a "license" to conceal a firearm?

I am confused now on what my permit is actualy for.

Benny

You can carry concealed or open in MN. Your choice once you have your PTC.

[Eric Marleau]

On the card that we get it states "Permit to carry a pistol" which means either open carry or concealed. This is important because many states don't allow open carry so the gun must be concealed. While running most shoots I will open carry which is legal. As stated, many folks call this CCW which is isn't. However I tend not to go school teacher on the person who says this because we all know what that person is talking about.


This, like many posts around here get hijacked by folks who think that they are smarter than you are. Thus, when I do post something, I hunker down waiting to get jumped about something that I posted that I thought was contributing to the conversation, but was just setting me up to get the usual stoning buy the knit pickers of the gun board.

Don't mean to stir the pot, but this board has more than it's share of stone tossers with smarter than the rest of the world attitudes.

Eric

[benny]

Okay, I think I get it now. I have to agree with you about getting beat on for anything you say by some people here.

Benny

[Eric Marleau]

Why start something new around here by agreeing with someone??

I just made a statement and LOOK OUT!!! the rocks start flying.


Eric

[340PD]

I completely agree with correcting people on the correct usage, definition of words. The only thing we accomplish by letting things "slide" is for people to continue to use the wrong words and definitions long enough that they become the new spelling/meaning, etc. Part of it stems from the stupidity of people spelling things wrong in advertising and such just to be "different'", etc. I don't correct people just to nit-pick but to actually correct something that is wrong.

A good example of people not understanding what the different terms mean is back when the original assault weapons ban that Clinton signed was going to sunset, my sister said she was all for the ban. I asked her why. She said because people don't need machine guns. Leaving the "people don't NEED machine guns" comment alone for the moment; I told her that because of the media's use of incorrect terms they weren't banning any actual assault rifles or machine guns as she put it, in the assault weapons ban. They were banning semi-automatic rifles that "looked" like assault rifles and by other features other guns may have. I told her the actual "machine guns" she's so worried about are already heavily restricted and have been since 1934 and by another law back in 1986 further limiting the pool of available "machine guns" that the public could purchase/own.

[Eric Marleau]

I see a lot of that kind of stuff happening also.
The one mistake that I correct on the spot is when people call a semi auto an automatic.
Even gun guys do this, and it doesn't help our cause one bit by making this mistake.

This is off topic, but what hasn't helped us gun guys at all are those two tv shows that blow up everything shot at.
A person who has never been around guns thinks that if something that is shot at by even a .22 will explode like dynamite.
I'm glad that those shows are off the air.

I have no problem correcting a person on terminology, but demeaning that person like they are idiots accomplishes nothing.
Kindly correcting someone is the way to go on this.

Eric