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Re: Permit to Purchase

Postby downtownjeff on Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:52 am

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Re: Permit to Purchase

Postby westhope on Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:18 pm

Its is probably a policy of the gun stores not to do the 7 day waiting period. By law, either can be done, but the stores choose to require the Permit To Purchase for their records.

The law says 7 days. Some interpret that as 7 business days, some interpret that as 7 calendar days. That would be for lawyers to argue.

The receipt is the part of the BCA Permit To Purchase form you get. IF THEY DO NOT GIVE YOU THE RECEIPT, THEY ARE NOT COMPLETELY FILING OUT THE FORM.

You can inform them that the law says 7 days, ask to speak to a supervisor that the laws says 7 days and you will be back in 7 days to pick up the permit.

Unfortunately, there is really little recourse you have if the agency refuses to follow the law.

The above refusing to follow the law as written was why the authors of the Shall Issue Permit to Carry law put some costs to the issuing agency if they did not follow the letter of the law. Thanks again Prof. Olson and others.

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Re: Permit to Purchase

Postby captnviper on Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:53 pm

Your first recourse would be contacting offices of their superiors. Work your way up the chain be polite and point out that you are a law abiding citizen just wanting answers from those elected to serve the people. City mayors office I would think. I dunno just seems that is where I would start.
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Re: Permit to Purchase

Postby MaryB on Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:01 am

Town cop(singular, town of280 here) kept stalling mine until I reminded him about the 7 days. at 14 days I said I am off to the courthouse to file a complaint with the judge, had my permit in 15 minutes.
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Re: Permit to Purchase

Postby XDM45 on Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:46 am

I don't get it. What is it about some people / county governments that make it so dang difficult to get a PTP and/or a PTC? It's not that much work, so is it that they don't want law-abiding citizens to have guns or just people in general? What is their flawed reasoning exactly?

By dragging their feet, they certainly aren't doing anything to help the law-abiding citizen, only the criminals, since that means it'll be longer that a law-abiding citizen goes unarmed.
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Re: Permit to Purchase

Postby george on Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:19 am

XDM45 wrote:I don't get it. What is it about some people / county governments that make it so dang difficult to get a PTP and/or a PTC? It's not that much work, so is it that they don't want law-abiding citizens to have guns or just people in general? What is their flawed reasoning exactly?

By dragging their feet, they certainly aren't doing anything to help the law-abiding citizen, only the criminals, since that means it'll be longer that a law-abiding citizen goes unarmed.

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Re: Permit to Purchase

Postby downtownjeff on Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:04 pm

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Re: Permit to Purchase

Postby gdubya on Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:47 pm

downtownjeff wrote:Oh where, oh where
Is my permit to purchase?
Oh where, oh where can it be?
It's been seven days
Since I went to WBLPD
Oh where, oh where can it be?
Of state statute 624.7131 Subd. 5
I think I'll have to remind
And see what the hold up could be



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Re: Permit to Purchase

Postby srtolly on Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:58 pm

Interesting, they told me 30 days for my ptc and I had it in 7.
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Re: Permit to Purchase

Postby Johnny on Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:37 am

Hello all, Im new to this forum. I am currently in Afghanistan, both of my lisenses are expired (permit to purchase and to carry). i want to buy a new handgun when i come home on leave. It would probably be from one of the two Bills locations. im located in Scott county and my previous two permits were from there as well. is there a way that i can apply for a permit to purchase through the mail, or even online? i havent been able to find much info online about this. ive got 3 weeks of leave time coming up, is that enough time to apply and recieve in person if i must go that route? thanks!
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Re: Permit to Purchase

Postby andrewP on Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:23 am

gdubya wrote:
downtownjeff wrote:Oh where, oh where
Is my permit to purchase?
Oh where, oh where can it be?
It's been seven days
Since I went to WBLPD
Oh where, oh where can it be?
Of state statute 624.7131 Subd. 5
I think I'll have to remind
And see what the hold up could be



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Indeed, funny. My experience with WBLPD was completely fine a couple of years ago, though. The only problem I had was that at the time, I hadn't updated my DL to my new address, so they made me do that before they'd issue the PTP. Once I got that sorted out, though, I think I had it within a week.
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Re: Permit to Purchase

Postby ttousi on Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:59 am

Johnny wrote:Hello all, Im new to this forum. I am currently in Afghanistan, both of my lisenses are expired (permit to purchase and to carry). i want to buy a new handgun when i come home on leave. It would probably be from one of the two Bills locations. im located in Scott county and my previous two permits were from there as well. is there a way that i can apply for a permit to purchase through the mail, or even online? i havent been able to find much info online about this. ive got 3 weeks of leave time coming up, is that enough time to apply and recieve in person if i must go that route? thanks!


Both must be done in person. Explain the situation and you should get the purchase permit within a week which is the standard set by statute (however there is no penalty if the Police Chief or Sheriff does not comply)

Carry permit renewal requires a class and they have 30 days to issue or deny.

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Re: Permit to Purchase

Postby johnlewjohn on Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:40 am

I am so sick of the permit to purchase, permit to carry non-sense, and non-sense it is.

Not the fact that people want to know what the laws are, but why we feel these are good laws to begin with.

Why do I need permission from the government to tell me it is ok to exercise my constitutional right to keep and bear arms.
And don't spout out some regurgitated hashed up progressive talking point about allowing firearms into the wrong hands.
People are innocent until proven guilty in this country, at least they used to be.

Everyone keeps asking the wrong question.
How do I get it, why does it take 7-10 days?

The question should be, why am I letting my government screw me over continually in the name of public safety or for the greater good?
Why do I need it in the first place?
Its your right guaranteed by the second amendment.
Not a permission allowed by the state.
The fact that a state passes a law doesn't mean that is lawful or valid under the Constitution.

I am tired of being made out the "bad guy" and having to prove my worth, before being "permitted" to purchase a firearm, or carry a firearm.

All I am saying is start thinking about it.
I mean Really think about it.

I am not advocating breaking the law, you need to follow the rules, but we need to fundamentally change how we think and stop allowing ourselves to give away
our rights. We need to change these rules back so we can exercise our rights freely.
Get involved, get informed and elect the people who are willing to stand up for what it right.

ok, I am stepping off the soap box now, back to you.
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Re: Permit to Purchase

Postby Hmac on Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:05 am

The Supreme Court has said over and over for more than 200 years that even fundamental rights have limits that may be applied for the good of society. Your right to freedom of speech doesn't allow you to yell "fire" in a crowded theater etc. The current firearms laws are the limits that your government has decided to set these days. If you don't like it, exhort your elected representative to change it. Bear in mind that there are a lot of people on the other side of the issue that are doing that too, however, and that's their right.

We don't "give away our rights" except by being apathetic and not using the political process, but even fighting that fight well can result in laws that we don't like. But in the end, the majority rules.
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Re: Permit to Purchase

Postby johnlewjohn on Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:12 am

HMAC,

Sorry, thats another poor, hashed-up, libtard talking point analogy.

The fundamental problem in your analogy is that you do not need to get a permit to speak, to write, to blog, to pull an add in the papaer...etc.
You absolutely can go into a movie theater and yell "FIRE"! And you do not need a permit to do it.
If there really is a fire, you better yell it!
If there isnt a fire, you are going to face the consequences of abusing your right to free speech.
But you still did not need a permit to yell fire in the first place.

If you use your firearm illegally, you will face the consqeunces of abusing your 2nd ammendment right.
The question is why do you need the permission to excercise the right in the first place.

Thats the difference.

Just to clarify, we do not live in a majority rules society, otherwise known as Mob Rule, or Democracy.
We have a Representative Republic form of Government.
51% of the majoprity does not get tell the 49% what to do.
That is why what has happened in the US Senate is so startling, and no one seems to care.
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