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HK VP9

Postby TTS on Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:08 pm

Big thanks to Thunder John for helping me get this. I am looking forward to giving it a workout this weekend!
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Re: HK VP9

Postby UnaStamus on Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:08 pm

I have my eye on one. Let us know how you like shooting it.
Anyone know if Bill's Gun Shop has one for rent?
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Re: HK VP9

Postby Hmac on Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:45 am

I have a couple if PPQs, which is the pistol to beat in the striker-fired category IMHO. Reviews so far are mixed as to whether the VP9 or the PPQ is superior relative to trigger and ergonomics, but most seem to be giving the edge to the HK. I have a VP9 on order. The PPQ is so vastly superior to either my Glock 19 or my M&P that I couldn't pass up the chance to pick up a gun that is reportedly (marginally) better, an HK at that, for $600.
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Re: HK VP9

Postby TTS on Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:12 am

Hmac wrote:I have a couple if PPQs, which is the pistol to beat in the striker-fired category IMHO. Reviews so far are mixed as to whether the VP9 or the PPQ is superior relative to trigger and ergonomics, but most seem to be giving the edge to the HK. I have a VP9 on order. The PPQ is so vastly superior to either my Glock 19 or my M&P that I couldn't pass up the chance to pick up a gun that is reportedly (marginally) better, an HK at that, for $600.


HMAC, I wouldn't say the trigger is "better" than the PPQ... It is nice in a different way. The PPQ is lighter and has a more traditional take up. The VP has a forward position with short take up and a crisp but firm break. The PPQ has a shorter reset.
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Re: HK VP9

Postby Hmac on Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:59 am

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Hmac wrote:I have a couple if PPQs, which is the pistol to beat in the striker-fired category IMHO. Reviews so far are mixed as to whether the VP9 or the PPQ is superior relative to trigger and ergonomics, but most seem to be giving the edge to the HK. I have a VP9 on order. The PPQ is so vastly superior to either my Glock 19 or my M&P that I couldn't pass up the chance to pick up a gun that is reportedly (marginally) better, an HK at that, for $600.


HMAC, I wouldn't say the trigger is "better" than the PPQ... It is nice in a different way. The PPQ is lighter and has a more traditional take up. The VP has a forward position with short take up and a crisp but firm break. The PPQ has a shorter reset.

Yeh, I've been reading the various user reviews over on M4C, including the one from Larry Vickers. I think his final conclusion was that the VP9 might be the pistol to get if you're choosing the VP9 vs PPQ, but likely not worth getting rid of the PPQ in favor of the VP9 if you already own the Walther. I'm going to go ahead anyway. I've never owned an HK, never even shot one except for the MP5 and UMP40 we used on the TAC Team. Seems like the VP9 might be a good place to start.
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Re: HK VP9

Postby TTS on Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:33 pm

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Hmac wrote:I have a couple if PPQs, which is the pistol to beat in the striker-fired category IMHO. Reviews so far are mixed as to whether the VP9 or the PPQ is superior relative to trigger and ergonomics, but most seem to be giving the edge to the HK. I have a VP9 on order. The PPQ is so vastly superior to either my Glock 19 or my M&P that I couldn't pass up the chance to pick up a gun that is reportedly (marginally) better, an HK at that, for $600.


HMAC, I wouldn't say the trigger is "better" than the PPQ... It is nice in a different way. The PPQ is lighter and has a more traditional take up. The VP has a forward position with short take up and a crisp but firm break. The PPQ has a shorter reset.

Yeh, I've been reading the various user reviews over on M4C, including the one from Larry Vickers. I think his final conclusion was that the VP9 might be the pistol to get if you're choosing the VP9 vs PPQ, but likely not worth getting rid of the PPQ in favor of the VP9 if you already own the Walther. I'm going to go ahead anyway. I've never owned an HK, never even shot one except for the MP5 and UMP40 we used on the TAC Team. Seems like the VP9 might be a good place to start.


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Re: HK VP9

Postby Lunchbox on Fri Jul 18, 2014 2:04 pm

UnaStamus wrote:I have my eye on one. Let us know how you like shooting it.
Anyone know if Bill's Gun Shop has one for rent?


No, we dont. Probably won't have one for a while yet, Joe will be able to answer that part a bit better.
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Re: HK VP9

Postby TTS on Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:01 pm

Color me impressed! I got to run about a hundred rounds through the VP9 today and it blew my socks off.

Very light recoil and extremely accurate... It makes me look like a much better shot than I am.
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Re: HK VP9

Postby Hmac on Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:39 am

LGS just texted me to let me know that my VP9 will be delivered tomorrow. It was "on allocation" from his distributor, what ever that is, and I've apparently finally been "allocated". Looking forward to shooting it in some timed drills against my PPQ and M&P 9 this weekend. Also gotta get out the toaster oven and some kydex and work up a holster.
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Re: HK VP9

Postby Hmac on Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:27 pm

Well, I picked that VP9 up. Nice gun. $600 (two-mag version). Here's what I know so far:

--ergonomics feel very similar to the PPQ. I have more than 6000 rounds through my PPQ and holding one then the other with my eyes closed, I can't really feel much difference. Both feel great. My hands are a little on the small side, I'll have to try the smaller grip panels on the VP9. With the PPQ, the smaller backstrap feels better, but I shoot the PPQ noticeably better with the medium backstrap.
--trigger pull - average of 10 pulls...5 lbs 6 oz for the PPQ, 6 lbs 4 oz for the VP9 (Lyman electronic trigger gauge). The PPQ has a lot of rounds through it, the VP9 has none.
dry firing...nice crisp break on both. Both are excellent. Take up feels a little longer on the the PPQ (for me, takeup is irrelevant). Can't tell anything about reset without shooting both side by side.
--size is approximately the same. VP9 is a hair longer in the grip. I can't really tell the difference carrying one vs the other OWB in a leather belt scabbard.
--weight (with magazine, unloaded)...PPQ 1 lb 9.2 oz, VP9 1 lb 10.6 oz
--VP9 fits fine in an old Tagua HK45 leather holster I had sitting around. I'll make a kydex holster for it this weekend.
--quality of construction, fit/finish...both are excellent. I'd call them equal
--so far, I like the charging ears on the VP9. Nice touch, especially for those of us who rack the slide rather than use the slide release
--slide release placement is nice on both. I have no difficulty with either, although I typically don't use it.

Hope to get some rounds through it this weekend.

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Re: HK VP9

Postby Hmac on Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:35 am

I put about 300 rounds through my VP9 side-by-side against my PPQ yesterday. It was fun. The VP9 is really a nice gun.

For my part, I'd score them about equal. Ergonomics are a wash, IMHO. The trigger is different, but not necessarily better, than the PPQ. I shot both pistols well - very accurate - with maybe a slight edge to the VP9 at 25 yards. 10 yards and in, it's ridiculously easy to keep all the shots inside the X-ring with either gun in slow fire. In 3-mag rapid fire, I'd give the edge to the VP9, probably because of the sights. I find I shoot 3-dots better than DP blackouts at this particular indoor range because of the lighting.

Overall, I came away pleased with the purchase because it's a really nice gun and an HK for $600. No regrets spending the money, although if the VP9 had been available a couple of months ago I wouldn't have bought the second PPQ. I agree with Larry Vickers' assessment that if you own a PPQ, there's no reason to go out and buy a VP9 if you're taking a practical approach and just looking for the best tool. You won't get your money's worth chasing that phantom. I would have to say..."six of one, half-dozen of the other".
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Re: HK VP9

Postby PHATSPEED7x on Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:53 pm

Great report. They sound like good shooting poly guns. I still will stick with my G19 on my hip. It's the iPhone of the gun world. Everyone makes accessories for them. Plus I already have a lot of Glock gear.
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HK VP9

Postby gaberelli on Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:26 pm

My VP9 arrives tomorrow!!! Very much looking forward to it.

I had helped a left handed friend wind up with a PPQ a few years ago and it has been on my short list for a long time. I see this purchase as in lieu of the PPQ. It will be my first HK.

The gun will be a range toy only as I have Springfields I trust to carry and nightstand duty.

Now my next handgun purchase will be a FNX tactical or a G20 with a milled slide for mini red dot and a 6" ported barrel. Life is good.
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Re: HK VP9

Postby Hmac on Fri Aug 01, 2014 7:45 am

gaberelli wrote:My VP9 arrives tomorrow!!! Very much looking forward to it.

I had helped a left handed friend wind up with a PPQ a few years ago and it has been on my short list for a long time. I see this purchase as in lieu of the PPQ. It will be my first HK.



I'm increasingly impressed with the VP9, the more I shoot it. I wouldn't get rid of both of my PPQs, although I'm thinking I might now have one too many. The Glock 19 I already dumped...trying to decide if the M&P9L is worth keeping. With the VP9, a couple of PPQs, a PPS and the M&P9L, I'm pretty overstocked on striker-fired handguns.
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HK VP9

Postby gaberelli on Fri Aug 01, 2014 11:43 am

I am also overstocked on striker fired pieces. For this reason the FNX Tactical is winning out. This VP9 will allow me to hit the range without having to pull a night stand/carry/truck gun from duty in order to go shoot a striker gun at the range.
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