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Re: shtf? MOA attack?

Postby Lumpy on Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:00 pm

The premise of the book is simple: a squad of AK-74 armed terrorists takes a thousand Black Friday shoppers hostage in a fictitious suburban Minneapolis mall called America, the Mall
Outside the mall the superintendent of state police who takes command of the hostage crisis is Colonel Douglas Obobo. Obobo is the son of a Kenyan father and American mother. He was educated at Harvard Law. He is a “mellifluous speaker and quick wit” who espoused an enlightened approach to law enforcement.
That's subtle... :P
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Re: shtf? MOA attack?

Postby bstrawse on Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:07 pm

20mm wrote:Today seems like the perfect day to have an open carry demonstration outside the MoA!

Who's in?


Which would solve... what problem, exactly?
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Re: shtf? MOA attack?

Postby xd ED on Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:08 pm

Lumpy wrote:
The premise of the book is simple: a squad of AK-74 armed terrorists takes a thousand Black Friday shoppers hostage in a fictitious suburban Minneapolis mall called America, the Mall
Outside the mall the superintendent of state police who takes command of the hostage crisis is Colonel Douglas Obobo. Obobo is the son of a Kenyan father and American mother. He was educated at Harvard Law. He is a “mellifluous speaker and quick wit” who espoused an enlightened approach to law enforcement.
That's subtle... :P


Stephen Hunter has written some great mystery/ thrillers centered around the skills of an ex-mil sniper. SOFT TARGET is far from his best work. Still an entertaining good guys shoot bad guys read.
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Re: shtf? MOA attack?

Postby Deputyhiro on Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:27 pm

20mm wrote:Today seems like the perfect day to have an open carry demonstration outside the MoA!

Who's in?


That would accomplish about as much as the "black lives matter" protesters did at MOA.
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Re: shtf? MOA attack?

Postby greenfarmer on Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:16 pm

no need for any demonstration. It will accomplish nothing.

Best thing we can hope for is... Nothing happens at the MOA. No sense in the loss of any lives.

Next thing in line... Someone finally puts a stop to these fools! This Al Shabaab, and ISIS... Their threats, and bombings and stuff, what really is that accomplishing? Sick of religious wars.

Then, get Tony Cornish some help! Atleast if you can open/conceal carry, you have the ability when your at a place like this, to protect yourself and family. And there's no reason any of us should be scared or have to put our lives on hold because we can't protect ourselves when we leave the house.
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Re: shtf? MOA attack?

Postby MXGreg on Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:53 pm

According to MN statutes, the MOA signs, or at least the one shown in the Star Trib, are not even legal. :hmm:


Subd. 17.Posting; trespass.

(2) "Prominently" means readily visible and within four feet laterally of the entrance with the bottom of the sign at a height of four to six feet above the floor.

(3) "Conspicuous" means lettering in black arial typeface at least 1-1/2 inches in height against a bright contrasting background that is at least 187 square inches in area.



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Re: shtf? MOA attack?

Postby bstrawse on Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:52 pm

MXGreg wrote:According to MN statutes, the MOA signs, or at least the one shown in the Star Trib, are not even legal. :hmm:


Subd. 17.Posting; trespass.

(2) "Prominently" means readily visible and within four feet laterally of the entrance with the bottom of the sign at a height of four to six feet above the floor.

(3) "Conspicuous" means lettering in black arial typeface at least 1-1/2 inches in height against a bright contrasting background that is at least 187 square inches in area.



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Plus, they're a landlord, and can't post anyways.
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shtf? MOA attack?

Postby jshuberg on Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:24 pm

The mall can trespass and require any person to leave at any time for any reason. The signs there do absolutely nothing other than make the sheep feel warm and fuzzy.

It is not against the law to carry at the mall. The mall cannot ban guns, but there's also nothing preventing them from pretending they can. While they can't ban guns specifically, they can ask anyone to leave for any reason. If they discover your carrying, I'd expect security will escort you out of the building without mentioning your firearm.


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Re: shtf? MOA attack?

Postby bstrawse on Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:35 pm

Maybe what they need are some signs banning terrorists?

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Re: shtf? MOA attack?

Postby John S. on Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:06 am

Lumpy wrote:My biggest worry is that terrorists would use planted bombs instead of gunmen. Gunmen you can defend against, bombs not so much.



Like the mall in??????? uhhmm, Kenya, was it? They blew the piss outta that place! But, now, THIS on morning news Tuesday http://www.kare11.com/story/news/2015/0 ... /23907147/

There was a time after 9/11 when most of their training exercises focused on scenarios involving bombs. Because terrorist tactics have evolved, those emergency training exercises often feature active shooter situations. Mall officials released details on their extensive security plan that draws on several layers, from K9 units to social media analysis to undercover officers.
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Re: shtf? MOA attack?

Postby Ghost on Tue Feb 24, 2015 7:17 am

I'm much more concerned with the parking ramps at the mall than inside, they have no way of knowing what's loaded in somebodies trunk or van. Inside the mall large explosives would be much less likely. I may start parking in the outside lot to the north when visiting the mall.

What is the malls protocol for shooters? Do they drop the store front gates and lock people in the stores? If so and you're not in a store you might be left stranded with the shooters.
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Re: shtf? MOA attack?

Postby Randygmn on Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:15 am

They only need 2 lunatics with semi auto AK's or worse, AR's, to terrify every sheep in the country. Add a small backpack or pressure cooker bomb and it'll be pandemonium. If they pull this off, it would be the first time they've named their target and were subsequently successful. I go to the mall a few times each year cause the little ones like the rides and I always carry a firearm. Now, I'll just not go.
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Re: shtf? MOA attack?

Postby greenfarmer on Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:44 am

Ghost wrote:I'm much more concerned with the parking ramps at the mall than inside, they have no way of knowing what's loaded in somebodies trunk or van. Inside the mall large explosives would be much less likely. I may start parking in the outside lot to the north when visiting the mall.

What is the malls protocol for shooters? Do they drop the store front gates and lock people in the stores? If so and you're not in a store you might be left stranded with the shooters.


That's exactly what I was thinking too. The big parking ramp on the west side is what would scare me. You never know what someone has in their vehicle. But I would imagine that every entrance to the mall has a security camera by it. So anyone carrying a package in, would be on camera. Although, how many people will carry in a Victoria secret bag, or sears bag with what security could consider a "return" that they are carrying into the mall. And actually they have one of those pressure cooker bombs in it.

The mall should have security at every entrance. I don't care how big of a hassle people think it would be, it would be worth it. Just checking packages that are being carried in. There's nothing you can do about the parking ramp. But atleast it would keep something major from happening inside the mall.

It's been a long time since I've been there. But do they have security cameras in the parking ramp? If not, gosh, it would be so easy for one of these worthless cowards to run around on the lower level of the ramp, and set bombs on all of the main supporting pillars of the parking ramp and bring the whole thing down. So hopefully others think about this before they go, and elect to park outside rather than in the ramp.

Although, if the homeland security, or fbi is competent to any degree, they have already thought of things like this, and have everything covered. But, they also supposedly knew about the 9/11 attacks coming, and did absolutely nothing about that before hand. So I really don't have much faith in them.
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Re: shtf? MOA attack?

Postby MJY65 on Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:50 am

There is a very easy way for a terrorist to get a fairly hefty amount of explosive right into the mall without drawing any attention. You see it all the time. No point in discussing it here in case there's an idiot out there looking for an idea.
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Re: shtf? MOA attack?

Postby xd ED on Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:55 am

MJY65 wrote:There is a very easy way for a terrorist to get a fairly hefty amount of explosive right into the mall without drawing any attention. You see it all the time. No point in discussing it here in case there's an idiot out there looking for an idea.


I agree about not articulating various scenarios in public.
Too many cheap, easy, low tech ways to create mayhem.
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